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good evening everyone and welcome back

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to epic voyages radio on inception radio

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network my name is bill forte and i will

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be your host tonight

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and i'm your host your co-host carol

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carl

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okay tonight our guest will be louis

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buff parry and his website is

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louisbuffparry.com that's l o u i s

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b u f f p a r r y com and we are

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tonight which is called truth in the

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right now he has two videos posted for

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viewing and they are called oak island

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confessions and omissions part one and

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two so go check that out after show um

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sounds like a perfect way to round up

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this evening oh yeah after the show i'm

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definitely going over there and checking

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that out right over there see you there

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okay lewis buff parry is an

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international scholar a renowned code

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cracker inventor and renaissance man of

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the arts and sciences tonight we will be

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discussing specifically his work with

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america and also his groundbreaking

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the history and mystery of oak island

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and the money pit so let's bring on buff

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buff are you there i sure am bill how

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are you doing this tonight oh very well

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very well i've been before i forget uh

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for those who do uh tune in to the

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youtube channel truth in the buff there

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third part that is not posted yet and uh

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which i think my uh manager of the of

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yeah a cliffhanger

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what what type of videos do you plan on

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putting on that uh youtube channel by

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you know that we are making um

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uh that are not of our own making but

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the channel so they're going to be uh uh

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a few videos where i'm um

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yeah you'll be hearing this name a whole

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um where you know i i've received some

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uh fair amount of uh criticism and uh i

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think undeserved uh uh misunderstanding

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in a lot of the areas that i've done

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so we're going to be addressing that to

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kind of clear the air and and

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uh what it is i've been working on in

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different different fields of endeavor

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have locked me in as the you know one of

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the head illuminati members and things

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records straight

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exactly a little authenticity please yes

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you've got it uh

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you just mentioned about your work can

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you just give our audience a brief

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summary of some of your renowned

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achievements and brown uh great breaking

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work as a scientist and coal cracker

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well right now i'm working on uh some

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new uh aspects to the boynich manuscript

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complex issue it's a

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very mystifying manuscript that has been

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10 14 20 in terms of the age of the

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vellum uh sheets and those are of course

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and and so we know that it that the

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sheets themselves go back to either the

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in this case it's a script that has no

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counterpart there's no you know

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comparison to it anywhere on earth

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of octagons for example and sal and

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more recently is the significance of the

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salamander and the octagons as guides

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the the custodial chain of people who

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it and of itself very telling

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about the identity of the manuscript

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itself so that's my that's my my current

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and that's interesting i'm sorry carol

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oh i was just going to say i stumbled

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upon those images uh on the internet

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several years ago little did i know i

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would be talking to an expert in that

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area but they're really quite

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astonishing um somebody do a

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could you spell it for everybody so they

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can do a search later um

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com not complex but

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stylized type of octagon not like a

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normal uh octagon if there is such a

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thing as a normal octagon

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um the star of asher is is uh on the uh

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flag of the the uh syrian people

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assyrian people are the last really the

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only truly indigenous

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indigenous and a yazidi group

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thought to be indigenous certainly by

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but the uh the assyrians are definitely

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indigenous they've had a continuous

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occupation of

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approximately the same lands for

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thousands and thousands and thousands of

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years so they

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have found a striking similarity uh with

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the with the chief

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of the nest pierce back in the 1870s to

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and a beaded star of asher on one of his

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pouches that that that attaches to that

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attached to his belt but he also had uh

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when he was arrested this was at the end

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of the what were called the indian wars

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in america and he was arrested right

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almost on the border what is now the

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province i live in alberta and the state

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um when he was arrested the general who

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arrested him found a a

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it uh

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a cuneiform inscription

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was uh impressed on both sides of this

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clay tablet obviously when the clay was

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still wet that's how cuneiform uh worked

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uh the clay had to still be relatively

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it's it's a very interesting item and

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it's attached to at least in my mind to

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a couple of other well actually four

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other artifacts that have been found in

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two cuneiform inscribed

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items in georgia one in ohio the one

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what's called

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a dillman

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that was found on shawnee creek in in

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i mean we could keep going on this or or

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maybe wind ourselves

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actually actually i wanted you to touch

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first on the chief joseph tablet because

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not only uh it's about his pouch but

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also on the stone itself doesn't it

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indicate uh a lamb or

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uh some type of uh indication to the

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priestess of some kind on that stone yes

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it's a uh

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it's a recording of a transaction of one

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sacrificial lamb

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for a ceremony that that in my opinion

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and my interpretation is a ceremony that

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was celebrated each year

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on the same day of the same month

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and it would be the initiation of

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of young women into a priesthood

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or priestess hood

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but i'm i'm going to stay up with the

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age that we're in now and we'll just say

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there's another artifact that kind of

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matches that description um and that's

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what's called the the lead tablet that

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except in that case the references to

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several lambs and uh and goats for

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sacrificial purposes

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now the one that it was found in georgia

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i i believe miss hearn found that in a

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flower garden while she was digging for

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an amazing talk about americana here's a

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woman presumably with a shovel by

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herself and was it flowers she was

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planting do we know that or or

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vegetables yeah well i i had i am on

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record saying vegetable garden but i can

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tell you no

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it is definitely a flower garden that

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she was preparing i i i made one slight

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error in my uh

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my recall of what it was that she was

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preparing the the garden bed for and of

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course there are some there are some

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edible flowers so we have to kind of

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maybe

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i was a flower eater oh really or you've

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heard of the lotus eaters i was about to

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say is there a connection there

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if there is we're not going to get into

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it all right

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and that stone uh that's the the second

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stone that was speaking about the

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hernstone is that similar in size or is

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it larger

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it's it's much larger than the the the

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chief joseph stone that you the chief

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joseph tablet the you know they're of

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the three there's really only one stone

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that we're talking about the three that

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i'm focusing on the most and it's the

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iron stone that has the dillman

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inscription and and the dillman

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inscription is dilman

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symbols that together

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uh make up an image and the image is the

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image of the goddess inanna who was in

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in in effect the first major paramount

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goddess in

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in in human history in terms of a

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goddess that was recorded and she she

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started the continuum that led to

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ultimately to venus

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wow

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now how far back does the gentleman

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civilization uh what is the error for

333
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that how long ago uh buff is that

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well it could i mean it could go back

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eight thousand two hundred years i i i

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fixed that date because that is the date

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when

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was was uh in engulfed in water and

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because there was a water level rise

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around the world due to the pulse

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pulsing

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um exiting of the flood backup

343
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flood waters from the melt melting of

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the glaciers right here in canada and

345
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hudson strait uh had a dam and ice dam

346
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that collapsed and the these you know

347
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miles high uh

348
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water levels went gushing into the

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atlantic and that that caused the this

350
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collect collective all around the world

351
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uh rise of the of

352
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the water level and so

353
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in that gulf area there used to be an

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oasis and

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this is now proven by a

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friend and colleague of mine

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uh

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jeremy i

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rose and

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the the oasis was a very fertile oasis

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the tigers and euphrates

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drained to the north through what's

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today called iraq into what is today

364
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called the persian gulf or arable

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persian gulf

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and and so as the water rose it engulfed

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this oasis and the the the operating

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theory which really to me is no longer a

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theory but we'll call it that

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the the operating theory is that the

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people who lived on that oasis on this

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super fertile uh oasis more fertile than

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the you know the nile delta and so on

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um had obviously had time to get in

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their reed boats and

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and uh you know sail to the shores

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whether it would be the western shore or

378
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the eastern shore from this oasis and if

379
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it was the eastern shore then we're

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talking about today's iran if we're if

381
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it's the western shore we're talking

382
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about saudi arabia you know even kuwait

383
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as you go further south in the emirates

384
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and

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know dillman our part of me it used to

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be called dillman and dilma nituki but

387
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but bahrain uh is seen as one of the

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major centers of of where these people

389
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who then well you know formulated if

390
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they hadn't already

391
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the gilman script um where they where

392
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they lived and and did that and made

393
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gilman seals and things like that for

394
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for royalty and

395
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and the like now this is also to be

396
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referred to as natoki i believe

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yes the the in the in the sumerian

398
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uh cuneiform

399
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writings

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there there is a reference to dilman

401
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natoki

402
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and so

403
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dillman is the it would be the empire if

404
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you will

405
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similar to the phoenician empire being a

406
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a trade sort of mercantile you know

407
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empire

408
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and natoki

409
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is a is a reference uh

410
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to an island a sacred island of fire or

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a glowing illuminated sacred island and

412
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when you break down the knee took key

413
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that's exactly what you get the knee

414
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stands for what becomes

415
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you know the term bitumen

416
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and that's that's to me really really

417
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fascinating for all kinds of reasons we

418
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probably don't have time to get into

419
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tonight but the res there were the other

420
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two routes uh it you know combined into

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this tri-consonantal root term where a

422
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word constructed to come out come out to

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mean

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the island the sacred island of fire or

425
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the sacred glowing island you know a few

426
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different combinations like that okay

427
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now i just want to know a little bit

428
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more about the dillman civilization that

429
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encompassed bahrain bahrain kuwait qatar

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and the eastern province of saudi arabia

431
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and their trading center and how they

432
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traded with the indus valley

433
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civilization and pre and co-dynastic

434
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egyptians back during that period

435
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okay

436
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the the the word bahrain

437
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in arabic means where the waters meet

438
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oh majima

439
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is the is the fullest um

440
00:19:47,590 --> 00:19:44,400
uh uh expression of

441
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of where they meet so bahrain you know

442
00:19:52,549 --> 00:19:50,480
literally means two waters but it but it

443
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it implies where they where the two

444
00:19:56,870 --> 00:19:54,720
waters meet some people think that that

445
00:19:59,750 --> 00:19:56,880
has to do with the fresh sweet water

446
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that came up from and through the island

447
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filtered and all the rest

448
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mixed with

449
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the the the salt water of the uh of the

450
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gulf and

451
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so um

452
00:20:15,590 --> 00:20:12,159
the what was your question again i mean

453
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very intense the reason no the reason i

454
00:20:21,830 --> 00:20:20,159
got off track is that i see some

455
00:20:23,510 --> 00:20:21,840
questions that are flashing up here as

456
00:20:26,630 --> 00:20:23,520
buff read the works of john ackermann or

457
00:20:28,950 --> 00:20:26,640
barry valen totally distracted

458
00:20:30,789 --> 00:20:28,960
from the chat room so oh yeah hello

459
00:20:32,549 --> 00:20:30,799
everybody and chad hello you guys

460
00:20:34,950 --> 00:20:32,559
they're amazing yeah good friends in the

461
00:20:36,950 --> 00:20:34,960
chat oh my goodness well we'll pass

462
00:20:38,070 --> 00:20:36,960
those questions as they come in so uh

463
00:20:38,870 --> 00:20:38,080
you don't have to

464
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uh

465
00:20:47,270 --> 00:20:41,919
i'm not i won't read them anymore

466
00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:49,350
is the name of an island

467
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uh

468
00:20:54,870 --> 00:20:52,960
and and it's actually an archipelago

469
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there's the largest island of the

470
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archipelago called bahrain and then

471
00:21:01,750 --> 00:20:59,120
there's these smaller little islands

472
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that go uh almost in all directions from

473
00:21:07,669 --> 00:21:04,400
the maid major central island

474
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that island was the trade hub

475
00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:10,480
of the indus valley civilization

476
00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:11,760
right uh

477
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and that's to the east so you have to

478
00:21:18,149 --> 00:21:16,480
come out the indus river in boats and

479
00:21:21,190 --> 00:21:18,159
ships whatever and

480
00:21:22,630 --> 00:21:21,200
find your way coming west and then up

481
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into the gulf

482
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and and then to the island of bahrain

483
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that would be for the people coming out

484
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of the indus valley

485
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indus valley civilization then sumer

486
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straight to the north

487
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just one tiny tiny interruption of how

488
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long would something like that

489
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approximately take how are we talking

490
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months or

491
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no no no no no just no a matter of weeks

492
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weeks okay okay if you look on the map

493
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and you see where the indus indus river

494
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flows out

495
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into the sea the arabian sea

496
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and they just follow follow the coast to

497
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the west and then up the into the gulf

498
00:22:02,070 --> 00:21:59,679
yeah so that's that's

499
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okay that's the indus valley then

500
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straight north of bahrain would be sumer

501
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and and and well dillman and sumer and

502
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you know first stillman and then sumer

503
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and dillman was coexistent with

504
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with the indus valley uh civilization's

505
00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:18,000
original roots and they have a

506
00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:20,080
relationship actually in some of the

507
00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:22,960
writing forms but so so but super was a

508
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really big civilization and that was uh

509
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:28,720
you know up around iraq and iran and not

510
00:22:33,510 --> 00:22:31,200
to forget this whole persian side of it

511
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because they that they were also part of

512
00:22:39,510 --> 00:22:37,039
the dillman you know period and and and

513
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:39,520
show some of the same artifacts so that

514
00:22:43,909 --> 00:22:41,280
so we've got those two main

515
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civilizations of the uh of the indus

516
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valley and of sumer now look

517
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so we have east

518
00:22:51,510 --> 00:22:49,600
north

519
00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:51,520
go west and you've got

520
00:22:56,950 --> 00:22:54,400
uh egypt right there there's there's

521
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evidence in the bear in the graves that

522
00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:59,360
have been excavated the pre-dynastic

523
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:00,960
egyptian graves

524
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:05,039
that that uh lapis lazuli uh had been

525
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:08,480
traded to egyptians even before the

526
00:23:13,029 --> 00:23:12,240
theirs their dynastic civilization rose

527
00:23:15,430 --> 00:23:13,039
so

528
00:23:18,789 --> 00:23:15,440
where did that uh that piece lazily come

529
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:18,799
from it came from what's today then the

530
00:23:24,710 --> 00:23:22,400
easternmost extension of afghanistan

531
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that that borders with china

532
00:23:29,590 --> 00:23:26,960
that's the that's the world's trove

533
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:29,600
treasure trove of lapis lazuli which was

534
00:23:33,669 --> 00:23:32,240
probably one of the most valued

535
00:23:36,390 --> 00:23:33,679
uh gems

536
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:36,400
not semi-precious but truly precious

537
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:38,880
gems in those days

538
00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:41,520
to all of those civilizations so that

539
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:43,120
means we have

540
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:45,840
and and and they wouldn't that the bulk

541
00:23:49,830 --> 00:23:47,520
of that lapis lazuli would have been

542
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:49,840
brought to bahrain for for trade

543
00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:52,799
purposes by the dildman party by the

544
00:23:55,590 --> 00:23:54,480
indus valley

545
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:55,600
people

546
00:24:00,310 --> 00:23:57,919
in exchange with the dillman and then

547
00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:00,320
then the subsequent uh sumerians and

548
00:24:06,149 --> 00:24:02,960
others who came to rule you know

549
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:06,159
bahrain so so at one time

550
00:24:12,390 --> 00:24:09,520
the especially once the the dynastic

551
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:12,400
rise occurred in egyptian history you've

552
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:13,440
got

553
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:16,559
early dynastic egyptian traders you've

554
00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:19,200
got sumerian traders and you have

555
00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:20,960
traders from the indus valley the three

556
00:24:26,230 --> 00:24:23,840
huge civilizations that had that totally

557
00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:26,240
impacted the world and still uh

558
00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:27,760
they still do in

559
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:29,840
in a reverberating kind of resonating

560
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:32,400
way yes um you know

561
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:33,200
all

562
00:24:41,669 --> 00:24:39,760
bahrain but but also qatar

563
00:24:43,269 --> 00:24:41,679
not to forget qatar is just right next

564
00:24:45,830 --> 00:24:43,279
to bahrain and

565
00:24:47,350 --> 00:24:45,840
and it projects out as well into the

566
00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:47,360
into the gulf so

567
00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:49,679
sort of projects out

568
00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:51,760
those two sites would be the major i

569
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:52,960
think you know

570
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:55,919
locus of of uh where the major trade

571
00:25:00,070 --> 00:24:57,760
happened and most people

572
00:25:02,710 --> 00:25:00,080
conclude that the majority of that would

573
00:25:04,870 --> 00:25:02,720
was on the island of bahrain

574
00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:04,880
now uh buff i just have a similar

575
00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:07,520
question dealing with uh the sumerians

576
00:25:11,269 --> 00:25:08,799
in a way here

577
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:11,279
in the mesopotamian poem gilgamesh the

578
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:12,960
sumerians described dillman as a

579
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:14,640
paradise garden

580
00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:16,559
could this have inspired the garden of

581
00:25:21,430 --> 00:25:19,520
eden in the book of genesis

582
00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:21,440
absolutely

583
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:25,440
ultimate garden would have been the

584
00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:27,120
would have been that oasis i mentioned

585
00:25:32,310 --> 00:25:29,200
that got flooded by the rising waters

586
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:32,320
right um and then and then all the the

587
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:34,799
legends and the romance and the motifs

588
00:25:38,789 --> 00:25:36,320
and all the rest of it

589
00:25:42,070 --> 00:25:38,799
um just got translated onto and

590
00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:42,080
transferred onto onto uh onto bahrain

591
00:25:47,909 --> 00:25:44,720
and and and and region

592
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:47,919
so the the there are all sorts of uh

593
00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:49,520
indicators

594
00:25:55,590 --> 00:25:52,880
that that really genesis in particular

595
00:25:57,669 --> 00:25:55,600
barashi does as as it would be called in

596
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:57,679
hebrew in the beginning in the beginning

597
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:59,279
that's what that means

598
00:26:01,190 --> 00:26:00,240
um

599
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:01,200
that

600
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:05,840
accounts were taken

601
00:26:12,870 --> 00:26:10,640
from the cuneiform uh in inscribed

602
00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:12,880
sumerian records

603
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:14,559
and that would include

604
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:17,279
you know the the the the flood

605
00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:18,480
even

606
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:20,240
and we know the flood memory would have

607
00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:23,440
been much fresher than if in eight

608
00:26:30,149 --> 00:26:25,120
thousand two hundred

609
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:30,159
there was this massive flood

610
00:26:36,070 --> 00:26:32,720
that that you know engulfed the the

611
00:26:37,110 --> 00:26:36,080
oasis of the arrival persian gulf

612
00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:37,120
um

613
00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:39,039
you know that that's still in terms of

614
00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:40,880
oral traditions and so forth that's

615
00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:43,520
still you know pretty much in the memory

616
00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:46,720
so the the first accounting of the flood

617
00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:48,400
you can find with the gilgamesh and

618
00:26:51,669 --> 00:26:50,320
kaidu napishtim

619
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:51,679
story

620
00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:53,120
uh a real quick

621
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:55,600
and curious uh coincidence if we want to

622
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:02,950
the old man kind of the wise man of the

623
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:05,120
hill you know that seems to appear in

624
00:27:10,630 --> 00:27:08,080
all of these legends and stories

625
00:27:13,029 --> 00:27:10,640
he his name

626
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:13,039
means the

627
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:13,919
where

628
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:15,360
the

629
00:27:19,269 --> 00:27:16,320
male

630
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:21,029
are

631
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:23,760
so if you're if you have a if you have a

632
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:26,080
big boat and you're trying to get you

633
00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:26,960
know

634
00:27:31,269 --> 00:27:29,039
male and female together you want to you

635
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:31,279
know you're going to be looking for the

636
00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:33,520
you know for male studs of all the

637
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:36,320
species that you could get onto the boat

638
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:39,679
now now in in the cree language of north

639
00:27:44,389 --> 00:27:41,760
america and the kree people are the

640
00:27:46,710 --> 00:27:44,399
second largest first nation of north

641
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:46,720
america second only to the navajo apache

642
00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:48,960
which are the part of the same really

643
00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:50,559
they're they are virtually the same the

644
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:52,480
navajo and the apache

645
00:27:57,909 --> 00:27:55,840
um in the cree language uh which is not

646
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:57,919
directly related to the navajo apache

647
00:28:04,870 --> 00:27:59,039
complex

648
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:06,950
you have exactly the same the same two

649
00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:08,720
words means

650
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:11,360
essentially the same thing

651
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:13,679
where it's

652
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:14,880
means where

653
00:28:21,909 --> 00:28:18,880
in in cree and and in dilma and sumerian

654
00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:21,919
um and then napies mean it means young

655
00:28:25,510 --> 00:28:24,000
male

656
00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:25,520
and atim

657
00:28:31,269 --> 00:28:29,520
uh means a horse or dog or a few other

658
00:28:32,389 --> 00:28:31,279
uh animals too

659
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:32,399
so you

660
00:28:37,029 --> 00:28:34,799
you you have the same

661
00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:37,039
the same essential meaning

662
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:40,480
and the idea of you of young you know

663
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:43,120
young male stud animals

664
00:28:49,269 --> 00:28:46,960
it built into that that word

665
00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:49,279
that also is the name of this the you

666
00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:51,679
know of the old the old guy who's

667
00:28:58,470 --> 00:28:55,760
consulted uh uh by by gilgamesh uh after

668
00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:58,480
in kaidu uh parishes

669
00:29:01,990 --> 00:29:00,000
okay now we have a question from the

670
00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:02,000
chat room and the question is from

671
00:29:04,149 --> 00:29:03,440
wolfgall

672
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:04,159
so

673
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:06,240
uh are these cuneiform tablets that are

674
00:29:11,350 --> 00:29:07,760
found in north america did they

675
00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:11,360
originate from ancient samaria bahrain

676
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:14,320
that's the question buff okay uh you

677
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:17,039
know we we have some more testing to do

678
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:18,480
and you know there's kind of three

679
00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:21,440
phases to this whole project uh the the

680
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:23,200
first phase isn't really quite complete

681
00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:24,480
yet the second phase is kind of

682
00:29:27,669 --> 00:29:26,399
virtually completed even though we have

683
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:27,679
to get through the first to get to the

684
00:29:31,510 --> 00:29:28,799
second

685
00:29:33,029 --> 00:29:31,520
what we would like to do is test uh

686
00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:33,039
chief joseph's

687
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:35,120
clay tablet

688
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:36,000
for

689
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:39,520
some possible unique aspects and

690
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:41,360
contents that would indicate where that

691
00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:42,240
clay

692
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:44,240
you know was mined or quarried or you

693
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:46,320
know where where it came from

694
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:48,320
the the idea

695
00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:51,760
the prevailing idea is since these these

696
00:29:57,269 --> 00:29:54,480
artifacts have been vetted and

697
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:57,279
particularly the chief joseph uh clay

698
00:30:01,909 --> 00:29:59,760
tablet has been completely vetted and

699
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:01,919
there are several reasons why why it has

700
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:05,120
to be 100 authentic the the because they

701
00:30:10,630 --> 00:30:07,679
relate to each other and and

702
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:10,640
and speak to the same region in terms of

703
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:11,600
their

704
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:12,960
of the content

705
00:30:16,789 --> 00:30:16,000
of what they have to say

706
00:30:18,789 --> 00:30:16,799
uh

707
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:18,799
you know it's my view that they came

708
00:30:21,669 --> 00:30:19,760
from

709
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:21,679
the old world over here

710
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:23,600
the south american examples that are

711
00:30:27,029 --> 00:30:25,679
found in brazil in in

712
00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:27,039
in chile

713
00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:29,360
and bolivia are

714
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:33,120
mixed iconographically with the local

715
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:36,480
indigenous motifs so you have bowls that

716
00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:38,960
have on the outside of them the

717
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:40,240
indigenous

718
00:30:44,549 --> 00:30:41,760
you know local

719
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:44,559
artistic representations and then on the

720
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:47,279
inside you have pure perfect cuneiform

721
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:48,240
writing

722
00:30:51,669 --> 00:30:50,159
and so what does that indicate it

723
00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:51,679
indicates that there was a there was

724
00:30:56,710 --> 00:30:54,640
real integration that went on between

725
00:30:58,710 --> 00:30:56,720
peoples between the first nations down

726
00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:58,720
in south america and the sumerians who

727
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:01,440
arrived there or whomever else may have

728
00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:04,559
been you know arriving and and using uh

729
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:09,120
cuneiform script up here right up here

730
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:11,840
this does not suggest that there wasn't

731
00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:13,919
integration because the oral tradition

732
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:15,919
of chief joseph was

733
00:31:19,029 --> 00:31:17,200
you know i'm going to pretend i'm him

734
00:31:22,230 --> 00:31:19,039
for a moment but

735
00:31:23,509 --> 00:31:22,240
my ancient ancestors uh received this

736
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:23,519
item from

737
00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:26,320
from some visitors from abroad

738
00:31:32,549 --> 00:31:30,480
and uh they they went amongst us

739
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:32,559
which implies that they

740
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:34,080
you know integrated

741
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:36,799
with with the nest pierce people

742
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:44,230
that's that that's uh chief justice oral

743
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:46,640
tradition so right so

744
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:49,200
it seems to me that you know and i

745
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:51,279
accept chief joseph's oral tradition

746
00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:54,000
almost completely because he because his

747
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:57,279
item is so it's so compelling and it ha

748
00:32:02,230 --> 00:31:59,279
and there's no possible way that there

749
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:02,240
can be any monkey business not in 1877

750
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:03,600
after i drink a little sip of water i'll

751
00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:04,960
tell you why

752
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:07,120
oh and also now is this the part where

753
00:32:11,590 --> 00:32:08,159
um

754
00:32:13,750 --> 00:32:11,600
uh everything in the bags were

755
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:13,760
they were all traditionally interlinked

756
00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:15,440
there was not just something that oh

757
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:17,120
this is bright and shiny i'll put it in

758
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:18,720
here it was something with the meaning

759
00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:20,640
with the tradition

760
00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:22,720
from generation to generation

761
00:32:27,830 --> 00:32:24,880
we're talking about people with

762
00:32:29,909 --> 00:32:27,840
with you know profound uh ancient

763
00:32:32,549 --> 00:32:29,919
cultures and civilizations of the

764
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:32,559
americas and you know they weren't they

765
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:35,039
weren't crows or ravens who just

766
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:37,200
any sparkling item you know this wasn't

767
00:32:40,950 --> 00:32:38,880
sparkled

768
00:32:44,230 --> 00:32:40,960
but that is a kind of a you know that

769
00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:44,240
that that is a not a prevailing notion

770
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:46,320
but it's one held by a lot of people

771
00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:48,080
including academics i've dealt with

772
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:50,320
right here at the university of alberta

773
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:52,799
um you know that well you know

774
00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:54,000
the idea was

775
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:56,080
you know chief joseph would have had all

776
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:58,080
kinds of unrelated trinkets in his

777
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:01,200
medicine bag well this is completely

778
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:03,600
impossible and it shows the ignorance of

779
00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:06,240
so-called as specialists and academics

780
00:33:11,269 --> 00:33:08,880
in these respective fields that you know

781
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:11,279
make you an indian expert

782
00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:12,880
um you know

783
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:15,519
there is no possible way that that you

784
00:33:19,909 --> 00:33:17,519
would have a mixture of items in a

785
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:19,919
medicine bag right that didn't

786
00:33:22,789 --> 00:33:22,080
intimately relate to each other one to

787
00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:22,799
the

788
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:29,919
referred to and my understanding is that

789
00:33:34,230 --> 00:33:32,080
they're in the same location where where

790
00:33:36,789 --> 00:33:34,240
that that clay tablet is now reposed

791
00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:36,799
which is west point military academy

792
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:40,799
uh in new york and uh uh i i want to be

793
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:42,720
visiting there very soon which is still

794
00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:45,279
part of the phase one project

795
00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:47,600
phase one of the project to get this

796
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:50,320
thing up and moving as a as a

797
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:53,600
artifactors play so buff by by by phase

798
00:33:58,310 --> 00:33:55,919
one you mean that you need to go to each

799
00:34:01,590 --> 00:33:58,320
of the locations of these three

800
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:01,600
artifacts and actually go there and uh

801
00:34:05,909 --> 00:34:03,840
do research and look them over and look

802
00:34:07,269 --> 00:34:05,919
over the documentation from the past

803
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:07,279
people that have researched them

804
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:09,119
themselves also what is that going to

805
00:34:14,069 --> 00:34:11,679
entail for you to do to go to to get

806
00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:14,079
possession i will just say so to speak

807
00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:15,599
so that you can present this because i

808
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:18,320
know you're planning an exhibit uh in

809
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:19,440
qatar

810
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:21,280
with these three exhibits with i mean

811
00:34:24,869 --> 00:34:22,960
with these three artifacts so what is

812
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:24,879
exactly and what is encompassed with the

813
00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:26,639
phase one aspect

814
00:34:30,389 --> 00:34:27,919
okay well let's first look at the

815
00:34:32,149 --> 00:34:30,399
minimalist and then the maximalistic

816
00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:32,159
possibility

817
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:34,480
why not so the minimalists would be

818
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:36,480
these three artifacts

819
00:34:42,869 --> 00:34:39,119
the maximalist would be the other two

820
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:42,879
that we know uh are are available for

821
00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:45,280
study in north america one in ohio and

822
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:49,520
the second one in in georgia uh and if

823
00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:53,040
it's possible include some of the uh uh

824
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:55,679
some of the artifacts that that are in

825
00:35:00,390 --> 00:34:58,320
in bolivia and in chile

826
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:00,400
with this because it'll show the

827
00:35:05,829 --> 00:35:03,680
difference in in visits and the types of

828
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:05,839
visitors and that in one case there

829
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:07,040
seems to be

830
00:35:10,069 --> 00:35:08,240
are you there

831
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:10,079
oh yeah okay oh yeah everything just

832
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:12,640
went blank yeah oh no

833
00:35:15,670 --> 00:35:13,839
no

834
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:15,680
it wasn't me alone going blank believe

835
00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:18,000
me all right

836
00:35:21,910 --> 00:35:19,599
okay uh

837
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:21,920
so you know it so that's the maximalist

838
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:23,119
uh option

839
00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:26,400
the phase one is

840
00:35:29,349 --> 00:35:28,079
this you know the completion of the

841
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:29,359
study phase

842
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:32,720
we i've dealt with the the the the owner

843
00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:36,000
uh the or the titular owner of the

844
00:35:40,390 --> 00:35:38,800
of the lead uh tablet

845
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:40,400
that is in georgia and he's the

846
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:42,320
president of the university

847
00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:44,960
and and it's the university that really

848
00:35:49,589 --> 00:35:47,680
you know owns this uh this artifact

849
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:49,599
that's now kept in a local museum in

850
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:51,359
lagrange

851
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:54,720
and uh so he he introduced to me uh some

852
00:35:59,349 --> 00:35:57,200
protocols that were required for me to

853
00:36:03,030 --> 00:35:59,359
be able to you know really negotiate

854
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:03,040
this item to take on tour and it's it

855
00:36:07,190 --> 00:36:04,720
it's not that any it's not that he has

856
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:07,200
said no at all but i have to meet you

857
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:10,720
know certain uh requirements right and

858
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:12,400
those are to read through

859
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:15,599
in person not electronically not through

860
00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:18,560
mail or otherwise but to be there in

861
00:36:24,069 --> 00:36:21,200
georgia and read through the files that

862
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:24,079
exist surrounding this led

863
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:27,119
tablet the led tablet was discovered

864
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:30,000
in in 1963

865
00:36:33,109 --> 00:36:30,880
and

866
00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:33,119
it you know again from the flower uh

867
00:36:35,589 --> 00:36:34,480
flower bed

868
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:35,599
when missed

869
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:37,920
yeah i missed mrs joe hearn in those

870
00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:40,079
days

871
00:36:44,950 --> 00:36:42,160
your husband's first name as well

872
00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:44,960
um and and you know she there's no

873
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:46,400
reason to think there's anything fishy

874
00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:49,200
at all about it uh you know and she she

875
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:52,560
was totally earnest and and and uh

876
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:54,880
i think honest in every detail that she

877
00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:56,880
provided when she brought it in

878
00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:58,880
but you know people naturally with

879
00:37:02,710 --> 00:37:01,040
especially lead because with a lead

880
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:02,720
tablet you have to kind of pour the

881
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:05,040
molten lead in place to make the lead

882
00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:06,400
tablet and

883
00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:08,720
and and because of that

884
00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:11,119
um that takes a lot of work so if it did

885
00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:13,920
happen in the old country whichever

886
00:37:17,829 --> 00:37:16,320
part of you know this like sumerian

887
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:17,839
empire

888
00:37:22,670 --> 00:37:21,520
um

889
00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:22,680
you know it may have been

890
00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:24,800
pre-manufactured a blank slate and then

891
00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:27,200
carved over here or it was on board for

892
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:28,480
whatever reason

893
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:30,880
um the the interrelationship between

894
00:37:35,349 --> 00:37:32,800
these three artifacts

895
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:35,359
is is i think quite intimate and it does

896
00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:36,640
suggest that

897
00:37:41,589 --> 00:37:38,960
there was one boat

898
00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:41,599
with a number of people on it who were

899
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:43,599
somehow part of the trading

900
00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:44,960
uh hub

901
00:37:50,230 --> 00:37:47,440
that that existed especially on the

902
00:37:51,510 --> 00:37:50,240
island of bahrain and and and on the tip

903
00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:51,520
of qatar

904
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:52,400
um

905
00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:55,920
and that that it it for whatever reason

906
00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:57,520
you know uh

907
00:38:02,470 --> 00:38:00,480
got lost or or or was part of the

908
00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:02,480
ancient trading network there's i mean

909
00:38:07,270 --> 00:38:04,960
we can go on a tangent

910
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:07,280
on this one i'm going to do i'll do it

911
00:38:11,030 --> 00:38:08,960
real quickly with you there are there

912
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:11,040
are collections of what are called

913
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:12,800
cipria moneta

914
00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:14,640
shells these are calorie

915
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:16,880
shells moneta means money

916
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:19,760
so calorie money shells that only grow

917
00:38:22,470 --> 00:38:21,520
from the indian ocean to the hawaiian

918
00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:22,480
islands

919
00:38:26,310 --> 00:38:24,720
on the bottom of this uh of the of the

920
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:26,320
of the ocean of the indian ocean in the

921
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:28,160
pacific ocean that's the oldest their

922
00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:29,760
only habitat

923
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:31,920
so to have thousands and thousands and

924
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:33,680
hundreds of thousands of these shells

925
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:36,720
over in north america in the copena

926
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:38,960
cultural collections that's the american

927
00:38:42,790 --> 00:38:40,720
southeast

928
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:42,800
um the copina stands for copper and

929
00:38:49,109 --> 00:38:46,480
galena wait long story won't get into um

930
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:49,119
you to have those dating back into the

931
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:53,040
millennia of years is stunning where did

932
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:54,480
where did they come from how did they

933
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:56,880
get here it has to be with the trading

934
00:38:59,589 --> 00:38:58,560
mission because those shelves were used

935
00:39:03,030 --> 00:38:59,599
as money

936
00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:03,040
throughout eurasia africa and uh and and

937
00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:04,960
the asian south east

938
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:08,320
so you know it they were money already

939
00:39:13,750 --> 00:39:10,640
and and they were obviously used hudson

940
00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:13,760
bay company adapted them as money to

941
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:17,520
trade with indigenous trappers right

942
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:19,599
yes but also i mean it would also

943
00:39:24,069 --> 00:39:21,760
indicate that they must also travel to

944
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:24,079
south america and central america

945
00:39:27,910 --> 00:39:26,160
because aren't these artifacts found all

946
00:39:29,589 --> 00:39:27,920
over the americas i mean they it just

947
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:29,599
couldn't have just been specifically

948
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:31,920
north america they must have been all

949
00:39:36,550 --> 00:39:34,720
over the americas yeah we just we just i

950
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:36,560
just described them

951
00:39:40,790 --> 00:39:38,400
that have been found in in chile and

952
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:40,800
bolivia

953
00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:43,359
that that really is incredible and um i

954
00:39:47,109 --> 00:39:45,680
know recently you just had a

955
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:47,119
presentation

956
00:39:52,950 --> 00:39:50,000
with uh at the sucker creek a first

957
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:52,960
nation reserve in alberta with chief jim

958
00:39:57,430 --> 00:39:55,920
badger and you uh i think you proposed

959
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:57,440
the institute for

960
00:40:01,910 --> 00:40:00,000
the studies of indigenous anomalies does

961
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:01,920
this correlate with the artifacts what

962
00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:04,240
is the connection and what is the goal

963
00:40:09,190 --> 00:40:06,400
and the focus of this institute which is

964
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:09,200
isa the acronym what exactly is it all

965
00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:12,400
about the isia

966
00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:15,040
it's about studying you know what what

967
00:40:18,790 --> 00:40:17,440
what the so-called specialists say

968
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:18,800
shouldn't be here

969
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:21,440
but are here and why they've created

970
00:40:25,829 --> 00:40:23,520
this convenient catch-all term of

971
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:25,839
anomaly they'll call these things

972
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:28,079
anomalies even if they're vetted proven

973
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:30,160
to be non-hoax and you can't hoax a

974
00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:32,400
cowrie shell that you know that i mean

975
00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:34,800
that's that's dug up you know from

976
00:40:38,309 --> 00:40:36,079
several feet

977
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:38,319
underground and in part of stratigraphy

978
00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:40,160
that's well known and identified by

979
00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:42,560
archaeologists and geologists

980
00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:44,560
you know you so

981
00:40:47,109 --> 00:40:45,760
they don't know what to do with it

982
00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:47,119
though because they don't have the

983
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:49,520
paradigms they don't have the frameworks

984
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:50,240
to

985
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:56,960
them on a shelf and leave them and then

986
00:41:01,990 --> 00:41:00,079
they don't they don't bother with with

987
00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:02,000
you know what the implications are to

988
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:04,000
these artifacts until something else

989
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:06,640
happens so like for example when they

990
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:09,599
found that the the vikings you know were

991
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:11,760
here 500 years before columbus which

992
00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:13,680
totally you know rocked the hearts and

993
00:41:18,790 --> 00:41:15,839
souls of the italians and the spaniards

994
00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:18,800
who fought over whether columbus was

995
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:21,200
italian or hispanic you know i mean that

996
00:41:26,470 --> 00:41:23,680
was devastating to both you know both of

997
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:26,480
his fan clubs uh because he obviously

998
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:29,280
wasn't the first european to be here and

999
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:31,359
and i i don't think you know too very

1000
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:34,480
many people took that very seriously

1001
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:35,280
you know

1002
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:37,599
for the last century without with what

1003
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:39,280
has been found

1004
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:40,079
so

1005
00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:41,680
um

1006
00:41:46,870 --> 00:41:42,800
the

1007
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:46,880
institute that we want to form is going

1008
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:50,160
to address issues of those calorie

1009
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:52,000
shells

1010
00:41:56,230 --> 00:41:53,680
and the fact that hudson bay company

1011
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:56,240
took them up and used them as money

1012
00:42:00,390 --> 00:41:58,319
which is literally what the the latin

1013
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:00,400
word for that species of calorie shell

1014
00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:04,480
cypria monita the calorie money you know

1015
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:05,680
amazing

1016
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:08,160
it is and the indigenous people

1017
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:09,680
already had this

1018
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:12,240
real desire for them in use for them

1019
00:42:15,990 --> 00:42:14,400
they were fertility symbols if i may be

1020
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:16,000
blunt and frank with

1021
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:19,280
you uh you know speaking scientifically

1022
00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:21,680
those they look like vaginas and they

1023
00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:23,440
would travel with

1024
00:42:28,630 --> 00:42:26,560
uh another shell called dentalia that

1025
00:42:31,030 --> 00:42:28,640
was only found on the northwest coast of

1026
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:31,040
vancouver island of this continental

1027
00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:33,920
area you know british columbia

1028
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:36,640
and and those who are gastropods that

1029
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:38,560
would stand upright

1030
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:41,040
and they look like erect phalluses so

1031
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:44,160
the two would go together money despite

1032
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:46,720
rumors to the contrary

1033
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:49,680
really comes out of a fertility matrix

1034
00:42:53,589 --> 00:42:51,359
it money

1035
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:53,599
it was seen as something that would

1036
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:57,119
enhance and extend and expand

1037
00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:58,640
fertility

1038
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:01,280
that is its origin and out of need

1039
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:03,040
obviously but when you get into you know

1040
00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:05,040
the surplus and the extravagant and

1041
00:43:11,829 --> 00:43:08,240
exotic aspects of trade

1042
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:11,839
you know money comes into the picture

1043
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:14,560
directly squared with fertility issues

1044
00:43:18,309 --> 00:43:16,079
of the culture and the in the

1045
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:18,319
spirituality of the people who are using

1046
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:19,280
it

1047
00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:20,880
so you know we want to we want to look

1048
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:22,480
at those shells we want to look at these

1049
00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:25,359
these cuneiform inscribed uh artifacts

1050
00:43:29,589 --> 00:43:27,040
there's a whole there are you know

1051
00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:29,599
several different areas to to venture

1052
00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:31,599
into without getting

1053
00:43:36,309 --> 00:43:34,800
all goofed up with you know diffusionism

1054
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:36,319
and and

1055
00:43:39,910 --> 00:43:37,680
barry fell

1056
00:43:42,150 --> 00:43:39,920
who always pops up in the picture when

1057
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:42,160
yeah this kind of discussion you know

1058
00:43:47,829 --> 00:43:43,760
comes along i knew him i worked with him

1059
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:47,839
i i we had terrible disagreements and

1060
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:48,960
and

1061
00:43:53,190 --> 00:43:50,560
i'm kind of happy to say that we did

1062
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:53,200
because you know he he did some wrongful

1063
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:55,040
things he was a great zoologist at

1064
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:56,079
harvard

1065
00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:58,800
uh but in this epigraphic context

1066
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:00,800
everything was you know about diffusion

1067
00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:03,839
my my point on this very quickly is yes

1068
00:44:07,829 --> 00:44:05,680
i think indigenous people could make

1069
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:07,839
pyramids on their own thank you they

1070
00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:09,359
didn't need

1071
00:44:13,270 --> 00:44:11,359
either annunaki or

1072
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:13,280
ancient egyptians coming over and

1073
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:15,440
teaching them how to do it

1074
00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:19,359
it pyramids are inherent in our psyches

1075
00:44:24,309 --> 00:44:21,599
as a geometric shape

1076
00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:24,319
and step stepped pyramids are so logical

1077
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:27,200
they withstand all weather conditions

1078
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:29,680
you know it just makes sense a teepee is

1079
00:44:34,390 --> 00:44:32,240
a it is a is a you know is is something

1080
00:44:35,910 --> 00:44:34,400
that has an apex to it

1081
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:35,920
yeah i mean look at look at the

1082
00:44:41,430 --> 00:44:37,760
architecture around the world through

1083
00:44:44,069 --> 00:44:41,440
time it you know it's it's functional

1084
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:44,079
first off

1085
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:47,280
and then the form yeah

1086
00:44:50,309 --> 00:44:48,480
i'm not taking the magic and the

1087
00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:50,319
mysticism away from ancient egypt that's

1088
00:44:54,069 --> 00:44:52,400
not what i'm doing or from the mayans in

1089
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:54,079
the ass no no of course buff let me ask

1090
00:44:57,270 --> 00:44:55,680
you a question i don't i mean i don't

1091
00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:57,280
want us uh i just want to be a little

1092
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:59,119
devil's advocate here but wouldn't it be

1093
00:45:04,230 --> 00:45:00,720
possible that some of the indigenous

1094
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:04,240
peoples back then could have if they if

1095
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:06,079
if it was the sumerians or phoenicians

1096
00:45:10,630 --> 00:45:08,640
whoever it may have been who have had

1097
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:10,640
this uh trade establishment here with

1098
00:45:14,309 --> 00:45:12,480
the americas could it be possible that

1099
00:45:17,430 --> 00:45:14,319
some of the indigenous peoples went over

1100
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:17,440
there and they witnessed structures and

1101
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:19,280
they came back and incorporated that

1102
00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:21,280
with their own style of building i mean

1103
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:22,720
is that possible

1104
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:25,760
you very much so you remember that 8 200

1105
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:30,240
year figure uh 8 200 years ago or 8 200

1106
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:32,480
bc but it's a there's a debate about

1107
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:33,520
whether it's

1108
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:37,040
8 000 bc or 8 200 years from now

1109
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:42,790
we know that there was funerary

1110
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:45,119
architecture

1111
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:48,240
over 6 000 years ago between six and

1112
00:45:53,190 --> 00:45:50,000
seven thousand years ago

1113
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:53,200
that that lined the the the the coast of

1114
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:56,800
uh maritime canada a special type of

1115
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:58,640
funeral architecture

1116
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:00,720
that would using stones large to small

1117
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:03,440
or small to large that and red ochre to

1118
00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:06,400
put all over the the the harpoons that

1119
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:08,480
were used to hunt whales with and so

1120
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:10,319
forth

1121
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:12,880
with those are older over here than they

1122
00:46:18,870 --> 00:46:16,160
are uh on the in the breton area of

1123
00:46:22,870 --> 00:46:18,880
france where they're also found

1124
00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:22,880
they're so they're like 700 to 800 years

1125
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:25,040
older over here

1126
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:26,800
than the oldest ones found on the coast

1127
00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:29,280
of france so that implies that there was

1128
00:46:32,550 --> 00:46:31,520
certainly some kind of navigation going

1129
00:46:35,430 --> 00:46:32,560
on

1130
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:35,440
between eastern north america and

1131
00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:37,920
western european atlantic coastal

1132
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:40,160
regions right but what about going into

1133
00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:41,440
the cari what about going into the

1134
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:42,480
mediterranean

1135
00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:45,119
well it turns out the first three words

1136
00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:48,560
used by ancient egyptians

1137
00:46:54,069 --> 00:46:49,760
for god

1138
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:54,079
yes are are in the cree language

1139
00:47:00,150 --> 00:46:57,359
all three you know no we've already done

1140
00:47:02,230 --> 00:47:00,160
that it's just amazing that is amazing

1141
00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:02,240
totally monto

1142
00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:05,680
yeah uh in the cree language here this

1143
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:09,280
is kichimonto and machimonto one is like

1144
00:47:14,470 --> 00:47:12,240
the good god and one is the evil god or

1145
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:14,480
you know the devil if you will i mean

1146
00:47:19,349 --> 00:47:16,560
some people don't like that translation

1147
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:19,359
i understand why but to use you know

1148
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:22,079
western european religions and and

1149
00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:24,400
abrahamic religions is on you know it's

1150
00:47:28,549 --> 00:47:26,400
the the contrast of

1151
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:28,559
black and white dark and light and you

1152
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:30,400
know all of that

1153
00:47:34,710 --> 00:47:32,640
that that were that we're talking about

1154
00:47:38,309 --> 00:47:34,720
with the with the cree construct

1155
00:47:42,549 --> 00:47:38,319
linguistic construct of kitsimanto

1156
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:42,559
so but munto is is is is the first word

1157
00:47:46,950 --> 00:47:43,760
for god

1158
00:47:49,750 --> 00:47:46,960
recorded in ancient egypt

1159
00:47:57,990 --> 00:47:49,760
and and then and then there's this very

1160
00:48:01,510 --> 00:47:59,910
is approximately the sound in both the

1161
00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:01,520
cree language and in ancient egyptian

1162
00:48:04,829 --> 00:48:03,280
and it means the one who owns and

1163
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:04,839
controls all

1164
00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:07,440
things right

1165
00:48:12,069 --> 00:48:09,839
and so on so there there's

1166
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:12,079
there's a whole lot of other uh

1167
00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:14,640
lexical examples that that would suggest

1168
00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:16,960
there was some kind of a of a trade we

1169
00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:20,000
know that the that the the navajo and an

1170
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:22,960
apache lexicon or dictionary

1171
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:25,760
has all kinds of items that are still

1172
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:27,040
being spoken

1173
00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:30,880
in in eastern siberia by the cat people

1174
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:34,880
who are under great study right now

1175
00:48:39,990 --> 00:48:37,200
because they're speaking a language that

1176
00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:40,000
is only over in north america called

1177
00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:42,559
dene which is what the navajo and apache

1178
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:44,800
speak and many many first nations up

1179
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:45,760
here

1180
00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:47,280
in canada

1181
00:48:52,230 --> 00:48:49,680
so you know it's there's nothing there's

1182
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:52,240
nothing you know

1183
00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:54,800
there's no pushing of an envelope or or

1184
00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:56,559
far-fetched about

1185
00:49:01,670 --> 00:48:59,200
finding ancient linguistic

1186
00:49:03,190 --> 00:49:01,680
roots that that bind up

1187
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:03,200
you know people around the world there

1188
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:06,480
is something called proto-dna caucasian

1189
00:49:11,349 --> 00:49:08,960
and under that title this is in today's

1190
00:49:12,870 --> 00:49:11,359
linguistic science of linguistics

1191
00:49:14,790 --> 00:49:12,880
under that title

1192
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:14,800
is ancient basque

1193
00:49:19,109 --> 00:49:17,280
sumerian

1194
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:19,119
and the dna languages we're talking

1195
00:49:24,069 --> 00:49:21,839
about navajo and apache

1196
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:24,079
so what you know i mean the linguists

1197
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:27,520
seem to have no problem with recognizing

1198
00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:30,559
the the extent of you know cross

1199
00:49:35,109 --> 00:49:33,200
fertilization linguistically speaking

1200
00:49:36,790 --> 00:49:35,119
around the world many many many

1201
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:36,800
thousands of years ago

1202
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:37,599
that

1203
00:49:43,109 --> 00:49:40,960
other

1204
00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:43,119
and i use the term indian experts in a

1205
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:45,040
very derogatory way as you may have

1206
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:46,319
guessed by now

1207
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:47,599
um you know

1208
00:49:51,030 --> 00:49:49,359
yes you know what's interesting i was

1209
00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:51,040
reading somewhere when i was doing the

1210
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:52,079
research

1211
00:49:57,750 --> 00:49:55,359
and i read that the assyrians used to

1212
00:50:00,870 --> 00:49:57,760
sing a rockaway song that was sung by

1213
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:00,880
the men and women and it's very similar

1214
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:03,920
to that of the native americans

1215
00:50:07,589 --> 00:50:05,040
and their

1216
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:07,599
songs enchants so i kind of found that

1217
00:50:12,150 --> 00:50:09,680
also a little connection there as far as

1218
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:12,160
even with the music there was some type

1219
00:50:15,190 --> 00:50:14,160
of connection as well

1220
00:50:16,870 --> 00:50:15,200
i don't know if you're aware of that but

1221
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:16,880
i found that in my research oh i like

1222
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:19,359
that yeah that was pretty cool actually

1223
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:21,920
uh before we get to break um

1224
00:50:27,270 --> 00:50:23,520
buff there's a question from the chat

1225
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:27,280
room okay and it's from jb jim bob short

1226
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:28,960
and he wants to know does the guest

1227
00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:31,200
relate to zechariah sitchin and the

1228
00:50:37,750 --> 00:50:33,839
translations of maura beglino

1229
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:39,910
i'm aware of zechariah stitching i my

1230
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:42,319
problem is

1231
00:50:45,430 --> 00:50:43,200
the

1232
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:45,440
rush to

1233
00:50:50,710 --> 00:50:48,240
judgment and conclusion

1234
00:50:53,829 --> 00:50:50,720
that i find with zechariah and and with

1235
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:53,839
others you know in his direction

1236
00:50:59,430 --> 00:50:57,200
there's so much uncertainty and mystery

1237
00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:59,440
about all of this

1238
00:51:01,430 --> 00:51:00,240
that

1239
00:51:03,910 --> 00:51:01,440
you know it's one thing to build a

1240
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:03,920
construct that you call a theory

1241
00:51:09,270 --> 00:51:06,480
or a hypothesis it's another thing to be

1242
00:51:12,309 --> 00:51:09,280
putting forward um

1243
00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:12,319
ideas that are that are presented as

1244
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:14,000
as true

1245
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:16,480
and and that that you know that the the

1246
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:24,230
so i i part company from that direction

1247
00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:26,960
i think the mysteries you know speak for

1248
00:51:31,990 --> 00:51:29,680
themselves as mysteries and need to be

1249
00:51:34,630 --> 00:51:32,000
probed and and much more deeply

1250
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:34,640
investigated but i would not want to

1251
00:51:40,950 --> 00:51:38,000
have the an operating theory when i deal

1252
00:51:43,589 --> 00:51:40,960
with the data with the evidence

1253
00:51:46,549 --> 00:51:43,599
and only then thereby

1254
00:51:49,510 --> 00:51:46,559
prove my theory i would rather

1255
00:51:51,190 --> 00:51:49,520
just be neutral look at it all

1256
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:51,200
know that there's something strange

1257
00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:52,400
going on

1258
00:51:56,710 --> 00:51:56,000
um and draw a conclusion after the fact

1259
00:52:02,150 --> 00:51:56,720
not

1260
00:52:04,630 --> 00:52:02,160
conclusion right and and there's just a

1261
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:04,640
difference in approach and and so you

1262
00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:06,559
know i don't i don't condemn these

1263
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:10,319
people but i don't really um

1264
00:52:14,790 --> 00:52:12,960
agree with their methodology and i'm a

1265
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:14,800
little bit leery about

1266
00:52:19,750 --> 00:52:17,200
about their conclusions

1267
00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:19,760
you know in the face of wonders that are

1268
00:52:25,109 --> 00:52:21,920
out of this world literally

1269
00:52:27,750 --> 00:52:25,119
um we don't need to uh we don't need to

1270
00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:27,760
push envelopes or or push things

1271
00:52:32,069 --> 00:52:29,920
together that don't really fit

1272
00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:32,079
exactly once again i'm reminded of carl

1273
00:52:36,549 --> 00:52:34,640
sagan's the demon haunted world which is

1274
00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:36,559
really addresses that kind of thing

1275
00:52:39,109 --> 00:52:37,920
yes

1276
00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:39,119
yeah we'd like you know we want our

1277
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:41,200
theories to be accurate

1278
00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:43,920
right but i'd rather i'd rather do the

1279
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:47,680
study first and then come out of it all

1280
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:49,760
with the theory which is kind of what i

1281
00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:51,520
did with yolk island

1282
00:52:57,710 --> 00:52:54,319
um you know investigations that i've

1283
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:57,720
been uh party to since uh

1284
00:53:03,829 --> 00:53:00,559
2004 and long before that but in a real

1285
00:53:05,670 --> 00:53:03,839
active way since about 2004.

1286
00:53:10,549 --> 00:53:05,680
yes and here that's a segue to oak

1287
00:53:14,549 --> 00:53:12,309
actually uh buff we were speaking

1288
00:53:17,349 --> 00:53:14,559
earlier off the air and you mentioned

1289
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:17,359
that one of your students rodney

1290
00:53:22,549 --> 00:53:20,160
was at oak island i believe correct and

1291
00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:22,559
there's some type of connection between

1292
00:53:26,069 --> 00:53:24,240
uh the the

1293
00:53:28,150 --> 00:53:26,079
the pouch on

1294
00:53:30,309 --> 00:53:28,160
chief joseph and oak island so we can

1295
00:53:32,950 --> 00:53:30,319
actually touch on that also on the other

1296
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:32,960
side absolutely but just to clarify

1297
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:35,760
rodney was not at oak island rodney was

1298
00:53:40,829 --> 00:53:38,400
with me uh down

1299
00:53:43,270 --> 00:53:40,839
visiting the nez

1300
00:53:46,069 --> 00:53:43,280
pierce artifacts in the you know the

1301
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:46,079
museum and and the archive center and

1302
00:53:49,990 --> 00:53:48,240
and so on and we and that's also part of

1303
00:53:50,790 --> 00:53:50,000
finishing phase one we have to go back

1304
00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:50,800
there

1305
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:54,720
you know finishing touches that are

1306
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:57,119
necessary to complete phase one before

1307
00:54:03,589 --> 00:53:59,760
we can really enter phase two

1308
00:54:06,549 --> 00:54:03,599
which we can also return to in uh in in

1309
00:54:07,990 --> 00:54:06,559
in in phase two of your program hey very

1310
00:54:10,870 --> 00:54:08,000
good

1311
00:54:13,829 --> 00:54:10,880
very well done and and uh buff that

1312
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:13,839
exhibit is planned hopefully to be done

1313
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:16,160
in qatar correct well we'd like we'd

1314
00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:18,960
like to premiere it in in qatar in a

1315
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:21,040
museum named after one of the

1316
00:54:25,990 --> 00:54:23,040
one of the real prominent shakes of the

1317
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:26,000
area who has an interest in ancient

1318
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:28,400
artifacts and you know i worked i i

1319
00:54:33,829 --> 00:54:30,480
brought an artifact a piece of the

1320
00:54:34,710 --> 00:54:33,839
cofferdam from from oak island to sheikh

1321
00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:34,720
uh

1322
00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:37,359
al khalifa

1323
00:54:41,829 --> 00:54:39,440
one of the prominent sheikhs of bahrain

1324
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:41,839
the brother-in-law of the king of

1325
00:54:48,309 --> 00:54:45,520
bahrain and his cousin as well

1326
00:54:51,750 --> 00:54:48,319
and and presented it to him in a very

1327
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:51,760
formal ceremonial way so he had you know

1328
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:54,960
he has a piece of of the cofferdam of

1329
00:55:00,069 --> 00:54:57,440
oak island and you know we're we're

1330
00:55:01,670 --> 00:55:00,079
looking toward that direction

1331
00:55:03,829 --> 00:55:01,680
uh for for

1332
00:55:06,549 --> 00:55:03,839
you know financing the

1333
00:55:09,190 --> 00:55:06,559
the freeze circle that would be required

1334
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:09,200
ultimately so i think you do the kind of

1335
00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:11,599
excavation that's necessary at the

1336
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:14,240
bottom of the money pit okay because

1337
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:15,839
it's so extensive under there all those

1338
00:55:20,069 --> 00:55:17,920
boreholes that they've got on the island

1339
00:55:21,829 --> 00:55:20,079
and so on oak island are away from the

1340
00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:21,839
money pit but they still found things

1341
00:55:25,910 --> 00:55:24,480
even in the boreholes well that's that's

1342
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:25,920
exactly where we're going to go in the

1343
00:55:30,309 --> 00:55:27,839
next hour we're going to go into the

1344
00:55:32,309 --> 00:55:30,319
money pit oak island and also where it

1345
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:32,319
all began for you and that was at the

1346
00:55:36,950 --> 00:55:34,400
decoding the shepherds monument

1347
00:55:38,950 --> 00:55:36,960
and we're coming up on a break uh buff

1348
00:55:56,789 --> 00:55:38,960
so can we continue the discussion on the

1349
00:56:03,190 --> 00:55:59,270
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01:00:36,470 --> 01:00:33,589
welcome back to epic voyages radio here

1445
01:00:39,349 --> 01:00:36,480
on inception radio network and tonight

1446
01:00:41,829 --> 01:00:39,359
our guest is louis buff parry

1447
01:00:44,069 --> 01:00:41,839
and buff when we left off i just wanted

1448
01:00:45,030 --> 01:00:44,079
to get back to uh change the topic a

1449
01:00:47,829 --> 01:00:45,040
little bit

1450
01:00:50,549 --> 01:00:47,839
and speak about shepard's monument and

1451
01:00:52,789 --> 01:00:50,559
your decoding of the monument and the

1452
01:00:54,789 --> 01:00:52,799
connection to oak island so if you may

1453
01:00:57,589 --> 01:00:54,799
you can take it from there and start

1454
01:00:59,990 --> 01:00:57,599
with shepard's monument oh yeah okay

1455
01:01:03,190 --> 01:01:00,000
since 1748

1456
01:01:05,910 --> 01:01:03,200
there's been a monument um

1457
01:01:07,829 --> 01:01:05,920
located outside of uh this

1458
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:07,839
beautiful stately building called chug

1459
01:01:12,470 --> 01:01:08,880
borough hall

1460
01:01:14,069 --> 01:01:12,480
on litchfield estate a prominent uh

1461
01:01:16,710 --> 01:01:14,079
estate

1462
01:01:19,510 --> 01:01:16,720
in the english midlands

1463
01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:19,520
and this monument was constructed to

1464
01:01:22,390 --> 01:01:21,520
commemorate something

1465
01:01:27,430 --> 01:01:22,400
and

1466
01:01:30,789 --> 01:01:27,440
enigmatic

1467
01:01:33,109 --> 01:01:30,799
unbroken code or cipher

1468
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:33,119
that charles darwin tried to you know

1469
01:01:37,109 --> 01:01:35,040
crack and he couldn't charles dickens

1470
01:01:39,670 --> 01:01:37,119
tried the people you know who are

1471
01:01:41,990 --> 01:01:39,680
associated with the imitation game at

1472
01:01:43,349 --> 01:01:42,000
bletchley park this great film that's

1473
01:01:45,190 --> 01:01:43,359
out now

1474
01:01:46,549 --> 01:01:45,200
they all tried to break the code they

1475
01:01:47,990 --> 01:01:46,559
couldn't do it

1476
01:01:50,470 --> 01:01:48,000
and and

1477
01:01:54,630 --> 01:01:50,480
you know no one no one could figure out

1478
01:01:55,910 --> 01:01:54,640
why on earth would all of this expense

1479
01:01:57,510 --> 01:01:55,920
you know have been

1480
01:01:59,910 --> 01:01:57,520
why would this monument have been

1481
01:02:02,069 --> 01:01:59,920
created what what could be so valuable

1482
01:02:03,750 --> 01:02:02,079
that you that this great gorgeous

1483
01:02:05,029 --> 01:02:03,760
monument would be

1484
01:02:07,270 --> 01:02:05,039
would be

1485
01:02:10,470 --> 01:02:07,280
carved out of marble and it's what it is

1486
01:02:11,589 --> 01:02:10,480
is the reverse relief of nicolas busan's

1487
01:02:16,710 --> 01:02:11,599
second

1488
01:02:18,789 --> 01:02:16,720
in arcadia ego

1489
01:02:20,710 --> 01:02:18,799
or shepherds of arcadia it goes by both

1490
01:02:24,630 --> 01:02:20,720
names there's an earlier painting that

1491
01:02:27,349 --> 01:02:24,640
has to do with with uh with lady anson

1492
01:02:29,589 --> 01:02:27,359
uh the anson family owned this estate

1493
01:02:32,470 --> 01:02:29,599
and this the chevrolet hall

1494
01:02:35,270 --> 01:02:32,480
and the monument um and she did they

1495
01:02:37,910 --> 01:02:35,280
were cultivating a lot of the arcane a

1496
01:02:39,270 --> 01:02:37,920
lot a lot of kind of raw secretion type

1497
01:02:42,069 --> 01:02:39,280
mysticism

1498
01:02:44,390 --> 01:02:42,079
flirting around with freemasonry

1499
01:02:46,870 --> 01:02:44,400
and and so a lot of people have

1500
01:02:48,710 --> 01:02:46,880
associated all of that with with the

1501
01:02:50,710 --> 01:02:48,720
with the reason why this monument was

1502
01:02:52,390 --> 01:02:50,720
created i'm gonna i'm gonna make this

1503
01:02:54,630 --> 01:02:52,400
part short because the other part is a

1504
01:02:57,589 --> 01:02:54,640
little lengthier

1505
01:02:59,990 --> 01:02:57,599
and an artifact of great renown

1506
01:03:01,589 --> 01:03:00,000
that was desired by people from many

1507
01:03:05,190 --> 01:03:01,599
different parts of the world

1508
01:03:07,109 --> 01:03:05,200
uh was secured in canada and then it was

1509
01:03:10,309 --> 01:03:07,119
retrieved from canada

1510
01:03:13,829 --> 01:03:10,319
by by what i'm saying are jacobites uh

1511
01:03:16,549 --> 01:03:13,839
jacobites who who had initiated a couple

1512
01:03:18,870 --> 01:03:16,559
of great rebellions against what they

1513
01:03:22,870 --> 01:03:18,880
considered to be the usurping

1514
01:03:25,589 --> 01:03:22,880
uh uh uh kings george king george iii

1515
01:03:27,910 --> 01:03:25,599
second first and queen mary and then

1516
01:03:32,309 --> 01:03:27,920
king william of orange who had kicked

1517
01:03:33,430 --> 01:03:32,319
off uh the throne the uh king james ii

1518
01:03:35,109 --> 01:03:33,440
so

1519
01:03:38,150 --> 01:03:35,119
and we'll get to that that brings us to

1520
01:03:42,470 --> 01:03:38,160
oak island perfectly but what what

1521
01:03:44,870 --> 01:03:42,480
happened when i uh went to to to uh to

1522
01:03:45,990 --> 01:03:44,880
the shepherds monument literally in

1523
01:03:48,150 --> 01:03:46,000
person

1524
01:03:50,710 --> 01:03:48,160
and brought with me what were already my

1525
01:03:51,910 --> 01:03:50,720
decodes of the inscription there

1526
01:03:53,750 --> 01:03:51,920
um

1527
01:03:55,029 --> 01:03:53,760
i left the decodes

1528
01:03:58,870 --> 01:03:55,039
with shov

1529
01:04:01,349 --> 01:03:58,880
with blesley park that great coding

1530
01:04:04,150 --> 01:04:01,359
cracking center again this that's

1531
01:04:05,510 --> 01:04:04,160
featured in in the imitation game right

1532
01:04:06,870 --> 01:04:05,520
uh film

1533
01:04:09,430 --> 01:04:06,880
and

1534
01:04:11,510 --> 01:04:09,440
so

1535
01:04:14,710 --> 01:04:11,520
out of many many many different people

1536
01:04:17,029 --> 01:04:14,720
who had who had uh come forward and

1537
01:04:19,510 --> 01:04:17,039
you know rose to the call they came out

1538
01:04:22,230 --> 01:04:19,520
of both shugborough hall and blessly

1539
01:04:23,589 --> 01:04:22,240
park to crack this code

1540
01:04:28,630 --> 01:04:23,599
i i

1541
01:04:31,190 --> 01:04:28,640
cracked every aspect of it that that

1542
01:04:32,789 --> 01:04:31,200
others hadn't been able to do and so i

1543
01:04:35,109 --> 01:04:32,799
was considered to be kind of like the

1544
01:04:38,309 --> 01:04:35,119
leading code cracker of all those who

1545
01:04:41,430 --> 01:04:38,319
had submitted decipherments of this very

1546
01:04:42,710 --> 01:04:41,440
strange enigmatic uh inscription that

1547
01:04:45,589 --> 01:04:42,720
goes with

1548
01:04:47,589 --> 01:04:45,599
the reverse relief of nicholas busan's

1549
01:04:48,630 --> 01:04:47,599
painting shepherds of arcadia

1550
01:04:51,670 --> 01:04:48,640
uh

1551
01:04:54,150 --> 01:04:51,680
version two and version one that a copy

1552
01:04:55,670 --> 01:04:54,160
which was kept inside of chevrolet hall

1553
01:04:58,549 --> 01:04:55,680
okay so

1554
01:05:01,510 --> 01:04:58,559
a man a journalist who handled all the

1555
01:05:04,390 --> 01:05:01,520
intelligence issues terrorism and

1556
01:05:07,029 --> 01:05:04,400
and so on named nick fielding who wrote

1557
01:05:09,270 --> 01:05:07,039
for the london times did a feature

1558
01:05:10,870 --> 01:05:09,280
spread in the first section of the

1559
01:05:13,589 --> 01:05:10,880
london times and this was one of the

1560
01:05:17,029 --> 01:05:13,599
great big sunday london times that this

1561
01:05:19,829 --> 01:05:17,039
happened in in in in late uh

1562
01:05:23,029 --> 01:05:19,839
november of 2004

1563
01:05:25,910 --> 01:05:23,039
and he he connected

1564
01:05:28,150 --> 01:05:25,920
my decipherment with the

1565
01:05:31,990 --> 01:05:28,160
oak island mystery

1566
01:05:33,270 --> 01:05:32,000
i hadn't done that i made an indirect

1567
01:05:34,870 --> 01:05:33,280
reference

1568
01:05:37,109 --> 01:05:34,880
to some of the

1569
01:05:39,910 --> 01:05:37,119
characters that are that are

1570
01:05:42,630 --> 01:05:39,920
thought to be associated with oak island

1571
01:05:45,190 --> 01:05:42,640
like francis bacon john d

1572
01:05:47,670 --> 01:05:45,200
queen elizabeth the first

1573
01:05:49,670 --> 01:05:47,680
and and and shakespeare and that whole

1574
01:05:51,349 --> 01:05:49,680
constellation because there was a lot

1575
01:05:53,670 --> 01:05:51,359
going on uh

1576
01:05:56,470 --> 01:05:53,680
with those people in relation to my

1577
01:05:58,630 --> 01:05:56,480
decipherment the the you know the the

1578
01:06:00,789 --> 01:05:58,640
the reformation counter reformation all

1579
01:06:01,829 --> 01:06:00,799
those things were starting to happen

1580
01:06:02,789 --> 01:06:01,839
anyway

1581
01:06:05,750 --> 01:06:02,799
so

1582
01:06:10,390 --> 01:06:05,760
interestingly enough

1583
01:06:11,349 --> 01:06:10,400
it now turns out that 1746 is a key key

1584
01:06:14,150 --> 01:06:11,359
date

1585
01:06:16,470 --> 01:06:14,160
when this artifact that that monument

1586
01:06:18,710 --> 01:06:16,480
was created to commemorate the arrival

1587
01:06:20,630 --> 01:06:18,720
of at litchfield estate

1588
01:06:24,069 --> 01:06:20,640
when this artifact was shipped by the

1589
01:06:27,190 --> 01:06:24,079
jesuits and this is on record and read

1590
01:06:29,109 --> 01:06:27,200
by records kept by none less than than

1591
01:06:32,710 --> 01:06:29,119
alexander von humboldt the founder of

1592
01:06:34,309 --> 01:06:32,720
modern geography ecology volcanology

1593
01:06:37,910 --> 01:06:34,319
earth sciences

1594
01:06:39,510 --> 01:06:37,920
oceanography and so on and

1595
01:06:42,710 --> 01:06:39,520
yes no no question about the

1596
01:06:45,589 --> 01:06:42,720
authenticity it's it's there right okay

1597
01:06:46,390 --> 01:06:45,599
so buff the jacobites brought it to new

1598
01:06:48,789 --> 01:06:46,400
england

1599
01:06:50,630 --> 01:06:48,799
is that which is that

1600
01:06:53,750 --> 01:06:50,640
in in

1601
01:06:57,190 --> 01:06:53,760
in 1715

1602
01:06:58,309 --> 01:06:57,200
the first major jacobite rebellion

1603
01:07:00,230 --> 01:06:58,319
happened

1604
01:07:02,390 --> 01:07:00,240
and the jacobites had won one of the

1605
01:07:05,589 --> 01:07:02,400
battles called preston panz which is in

1606
01:07:07,190 --> 01:07:05,599
eastern scotland uh close to edinboro

1607
01:07:10,069 --> 01:07:07,200
and and

1608
01:07:13,349 --> 01:07:10,079
then that when they marched with this

1609
01:07:14,390 --> 01:07:13,359
same artifact when they marched on to

1610
01:07:16,069 --> 01:07:14,400
london

1611
01:07:17,510 --> 01:07:16,079
they passed through a place called

1612
01:07:20,470 --> 01:07:17,520
preston

1613
01:07:24,069 --> 01:07:20,480
which is in northern england uh north

1614
01:07:26,309 --> 01:07:24,079
western england and and in preston they

1615
01:07:28,950 --> 01:07:26,319
were they were all they were arrested

1616
01:07:31,789 --> 01:07:28,960
they were they were momentarily defeated

1617
01:07:33,750 --> 01:07:31,799
in their rebellion and

1618
01:07:36,549 --> 01:07:33,760
1569 of them

1619
01:07:38,710 --> 01:07:36,559
were exiled to new england

1620
01:07:41,510 --> 01:07:38,720
and so with them

1621
01:07:43,430 --> 01:07:41,520
was this this artifact

1622
01:07:46,069 --> 01:07:43,440
so that so they're they're all called

1623
01:07:47,670 --> 01:07:46,079
jacobites for a very convoluted reason

1624
01:07:49,990 --> 01:07:47,680
we won't get into because that'll that

1625
01:07:53,870 --> 01:07:50,000
requires a linguistics lesson and

1626
01:08:01,990 --> 01:07:57,870
think exactly exactly so okay

1627
01:08:05,430 --> 01:08:02,000
1746 is a it is an extremely important

1628
01:08:07,430 --> 01:08:05,440
year the there uh that is when

1629
01:08:10,230 --> 01:08:07,440
alexander von humboldt says the artifact

1630
01:08:11,829 --> 01:08:10,240
was released by the jesuits to be taken

1631
01:08:13,510 --> 01:08:11,839
to king

1632
01:08:15,270 --> 01:08:13,520
king louis the 15th

1633
01:08:18,149 --> 01:08:15,280
but directly into the hands of his

1634
01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:18,159
secretary of state a man named frederick

1635
01:08:21,990 --> 01:08:20,880
filippo the count of moropa they come to

1636
01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:22,000
mourinho

1637
01:08:26,870 --> 01:08:23,520
and he was also the secretary of the

1638
01:08:29,910 --> 01:08:26,880
marine so the a man named jean-chier

1639
01:08:31,110 --> 01:08:29,920
uh who was the admiral of of a french

1640
01:08:35,030 --> 01:08:31,120
fleet

1641
01:08:36,829 --> 01:08:35,040
was on route from nova scotia which you

1642
01:08:40,390 --> 01:08:36,839
know had been called

1643
01:08:42,709 --> 01:08:40,400
acadia before it was formally uh named

1644
01:08:45,430 --> 01:08:42,719
changed by the by the british by the

1645
01:08:48,470 --> 01:08:45,440
english to to to to nova scotia new

1646
01:08:50,309 --> 01:08:48,480
scotland he was he was taking

1647
01:08:51,990 --> 01:08:50,319
that he was taking that that artifact

1648
01:08:53,309 --> 01:08:52,000
with him again according to alexander

1649
01:08:55,110 --> 01:08:53,319
von humboldt

1650
01:08:58,470 --> 01:08:55,120
1746

1651
01:08:59,590 --> 01:08:58,480
and had had some altercations

1652
01:09:00,709 --> 01:08:59,600
uh

1653
01:09:03,749 --> 01:09:00,719
around

1654
01:09:08,870 --> 01:09:07,030
in two different locations and

1655
01:09:13,189 --> 01:09:08,880
ran into a storm so

1656
01:09:14,950 --> 01:09:13,199
so on route to france he was apprehended

1657
01:09:17,590 --> 01:09:14,960
some of his ships were apprehended by a

1658
01:09:19,590 --> 01:09:17,600
man named admiral anson who's the bride

1659
01:09:21,590 --> 01:09:19,600
was the brother of the person who kind

1660
01:09:24,070 --> 01:09:21,600
of was the homebody of the of the two

1661
01:09:27,349 --> 01:09:24,080
brothers at litchfield estate chugger

1662
01:09:30,470 --> 01:09:27,359
hall where they lived right and and so

1663
01:09:33,510 --> 01:09:30,480
we have admiral anson now commandeering

1664
01:09:35,189 --> 01:09:33,520
uh several of the ships of of admiral

1665
01:09:36,309 --> 01:09:35,199
legenkier

1666
01:09:37,990 --> 01:09:36,319
and

1667
01:09:40,229 --> 01:09:38,000
okay so

1668
01:09:44,630 --> 01:09:40,239
he ends up with this artifact he's

1669
01:09:46,870 --> 01:09:44,640
bringing it back but there was some gold

1670
01:09:49,829 --> 01:09:46,880
that year

1671
01:09:51,990 --> 01:09:49,839
also brought to scotland

1672
01:09:53,430 --> 01:09:52,000
up the west coast of scotland and

1673
01:09:56,470 --> 01:09:53,440
deposited

1674
01:09:58,790 --> 01:09:56,480
now we're talking again 1746

1675
01:10:00,830 --> 01:09:58,800
the last great jacobite

1676
01:10:04,310 --> 01:10:00,840
rebellion uh

1677
01:10:06,790 --> 01:10:04,320
uprising happened uh in a place called

1678
01:10:10,229 --> 01:10:06,800
collodion so it was called the battle of

1679
01:10:11,430 --> 01:10:10,239
colloden in 1746 the jacobites lost

1680
01:10:15,590 --> 01:10:11,440
horribly

1681
01:10:18,550 --> 01:10:15,600
and and this gold that was

1682
01:10:21,590 --> 01:10:18,560
quote from a french source

1683
01:10:23,910 --> 01:10:21,600
from the french start it arrives after

1684
01:10:25,430 --> 01:10:23,920
they lost the the battle it was gold

1685
01:10:27,750 --> 01:10:25,440
that was supposed to finance the

1686
01:10:30,950 --> 01:10:27,760
jacobite rebellion to the point that

1687
01:10:33,189 --> 01:10:30,960
they could reinstate the stuart dynasty

1688
01:10:34,950 --> 01:10:33,199
which is what king james was a part of

1689
01:10:36,870 --> 01:10:34,960
and king james the first who were famous

1690
01:10:38,870 --> 01:10:36,880
for the king james version of the bible

1691
01:10:41,910 --> 01:10:38,880
and so he was a steward i mean the

1692
01:10:43,110 --> 01:10:41,920
stewart line was entrenched that was the

1693
01:10:44,870 --> 01:10:43,120
rightful

1694
01:10:47,350 --> 01:10:44,880
you know heir to

1695
01:10:49,430 --> 01:10:47,360
the throne right so when these others

1696
01:10:51,270 --> 01:10:49,440
came and usurped the throne you know a

1697
01:10:53,510 --> 01:10:51,280
lot of people went against

1698
01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:53,520
the usurpers including almost all the

1699
01:10:59,990 --> 01:10:56,400
celtic people the scots the welsh the

1700
01:11:03,030 --> 01:11:00,000
irish the the people like quakers uh

1701
01:11:04,229 --> 01:11:03,040
went against the the the uh the usurpers

1702
01:11:06,229 --> 01:11:04,239
the the

1703
01:11:09,669 --> 01:11:06,239
the false monarchy if we want to call it

1704
01:11:11,990 --> 01:11:09,679
that um and the catholics and that was

1705
01:11:14,229 --> 01:11:12,000
that was what did it when the catholics

1706
01:11:15,910 --> 01:11:14,239
all started to to back

1707
01:11:17,590 --> 01:11:15,920
king james ii

1708
01:11:19,669 --> 01:11:17,600
uh the the the church of england

1709
01:11:22,470 --> 01:11:19,679
suspected king james of being you know a

1710
01:11:24,229 --> 01:11:22,480
papist as they were called some said

1711
01:11:26,070 --> 01:11:24,239
pappus some said poopest they were

1712
01:11:30,229 --> 01:11:26,080
different ways

1713
01:11:32,950 --> 01:11:30,239
really insulting about it um and so uh

1714
01:11:35,030 --> 01:11:32,960
the the so he was deposed because of the

1715
01:11:36,470 --> 01:11:35,040
the fear that that you know the vatican

1716
01:11:37,750 --> 01:11:36,480
was going to get re-entrenched in

1717
01:11:39,430 --> 01:11:37,760
england which had been completely

1718
01:11:43,189 --> 01:11:39,440
catholic you know not that many years

1719
01:11:45,669 --> 01:11:43,199
before but but because of henry viii and

1720
01:11:47,590 --> 01:11:45,679
you know other forces that occurred the

1721
01:11:49,750 --> 01:11:47,600
protestant reformation

1722
01:11:51,189 --> 01:11:49,760
you know protestantism swept and and the

1723
01:11:53,910 --> 01:11:51,199
anglican church became the church of

1724
01:11:56,229 --> 01:11:53,920
england and and so on and so on yes okay

1725
01:11:58,070 --> 01:11:56,239
so the goal i'm sorry buffy yeah gold so

1726
01:12:00,630 --> 01:11:58,080
the goal you're saying pretty much came

1727
01:12:02,709 --> 01:12:00,640
from the money pit it said from a from a

1728
01:12:04,550 --> 01:12:02,719
french source so pretty much your theory

1729
01:12:05,830 --> 01:12:04,560
is that it was stored and it was taken

1730
01:12:07,430 --> 01:12:05,840
from the money pit

1731
01:12:10,470 --> 01:12:07,440
yes because the

1732
01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:10,480
sir william phipps who had been knighted

1733
01:12:14,550 --> 01:12:12,480
in 1687

1734
01:12:17,590 --> 01:12:14,560
when king james ii was still on the

1735
01:12:18,470 --> 01:12:17,600
throne was knighted because he had found

1736
01:13:09,990 --> 01:12:18,480
a

1737
01:13:11,350 --> 01:13:10,000
uh

1738
01:13:13,750 --> 01:13:11,360
over the course of all of the

1739
01:13:15,669 --> 01:13:13,760
investigations and the boreholes

1740
01:13:16,550 --> 01:13:15,679
right excuse me in various gigs that

1741
01:13:21,430 --> 01:13:16,560
that

1742
01:13:22,470 --> 01:13:21,440
so so okay

1743
01:13:25,030 --> 01:13:22,480
now

1744
01:13:26,070 --> 01:13:25,040
in 1688

1745
01:13:27,669 --> 01:13:26,080
we have

1746
01:13:29,350 --> 01:13:27,679
the the uh

1747
01:13:32,870 --> 01:13:29,360
the beginning of what was called the

1748
01:13:35,510 --> 01:13:32,880
abenaki or wabanacki confederation of

1749
01:13:37,430 --> 01:13:35,520
indigenous peoples including the mikkema

1750
01:13:40,149 --> 01:13:37,440
who lived on the island

1751
01:13:43,350 --> 01:13:40,159
and and so 1688 was a really important

1752
01:13:45,189 --> 01:13:43,360
year for mobilization of you know allies

1753
01:13:47,750 --> 01:13:45,199
who are who were with the french who

1754
01:13:49,669 --> 01:13:47,760
were with the wabanacki confederacy with

1755
01:13:51,830 --> 01:13:49,679
the scots and so forth

1756
01:13:53,189 --> 01:13:51,840
and the jacobites in general

1757
01:13:55,590 --> 01:13:53,199
and and

1758
01:13:58,310 --> 01:13:55,600
so we've got this sir william phipps who

1759
01:14:01,830 --> 01:13:58,320
obviously even if he had disagreements

1760
01:14:03,750 --> 01:14:01,840
with king james ii what you know was

1761
01:14:05,990 --> 01:14:03,760
loyal had to have been loyal to him

1762
01:14:06,950 --> 01:14:06,000
because he was made a knight by king

1763
01:14:10,390 --> 01:14:06,960
james

1764
01:14:13,189 --> 01:14:10,400
and and to to then

1765
01:14:15,590 --> 01:14:13,199
just abandon that connection when half

1766
01:14:17,990 --> 01:14:15,600
of the aristocrats of of

1767
01:14:20,790 --> 01:14:18,000
of england were fence sitters they were

1768
01:14:23,030 --> 01:14:20,800
they weren't sure if the new usurping

1769
01:14:24,790 --> 01:14:23,040
monarch you know monarchical family

1770
01:14:25,910 --> 01:14:24,800
would actually

1771
01:14:28,709 --> 01:14:25,920
survive

1772
01:14:30,390 --> 01:14:28,719
and so they they nor were they trusting

1773
01:14:32,149 --> 01:14:30,400
that the jacobites would bring the

1774
01:14:34,310 --> 01:14:32,159
steward line back onto the throne so

1775
01:14:37,910 --> 01:14:34,320
they kind of stayed in the middle

1776
01:14:40,390 --> 01:14:37,920
and and and this is what phipps did

1777
01:14:42,470 --> 01:14:40,400
when he hid the gold and this is my

1778
01:14:43,270 --> 01:14:42,480
theory that he hid the gold in the money

1779
01:14:45,990 --> 01:14:43,280
pit

1780
01:14:47,189 --> 01:14:46,000
on oak island to help

1781
01:14:49,669 --> 01:14:47,199
finance

1782
01:14:52,870 --> 01:14:49,679
the jacobite movement because after all

1783
01:14:54,470 --> 01:14:52,880
it was their leader king james ii who

1784
01:14:57,990 --> 01:14:54,480
had knighted

1785
01:15:00,470 --> 01:14:58,000
fips to begin with right so okay we have

1786
01:15:02,790 --> 01:15:00,480
the gold then uh stashed in the money

1787
01:15:05,270 --> 01:15:02,800
pit not for william of orange not for

1788
01:15:06,630 --> 01:15:05,280
the usurper king but for the for the

1789
01:15:08,709 --> 01:15:06,640
reinstatement

1790
01:15:11,110 --> 01:15:08,719
of of the stuart line through either

1791
01:15:14,470 --> 01:15:11,120
king james ii or one of his descendants

1792
01:15:17,189 --> 01:15:14,480
right the lineage right yes so so

1793
01:15:19,790 --> 01:15:17,199
cut now you know so we're jumping from

1794
01:15:24,229 --> 01:15:19,800
from 1688 to

1795
01:15:27,669 --> 01:15:24,239
1746 when this mysterious huge uh tr you

1796
01:15:29,910 --> 01:15:27,679
know uh amount of gold is delivered

1797
01:15:31,830 --> 01:15:29,920
right to where the jacobites

1798
01:15:34,470 --> 01:15:31,840
were ha you know had their last battle

1799
01:15:36,470 --> 01:15:34,480
and lost and it got there too late so it

1800
01:15:38,709 --> 01:15:36,480
was most most of it was hidden but some

1801
01:15:40,870 --> 01:15:38,719
of it wasn't there was a letter that was

1802
01:15:43,189 --> 01:15:40,880
found that some current archaeologists

1803
01:15:46,229 --> 01:15:43,199
working with with bbc

1804
01:15:49,750 --> 01:15:46,239
um you know have found the information

1805
01:15:53,189 --> 01:15:49,760
in and evidence in about this treasure

1806
01:15:54,630 --> 01:15:53,199
from a french source as far as i know

1807
01:15:56,950 --> 01:15:54,640
and i've read as much as i could

1808
01:15:58,390 --> 01:15:56,960
possibly get my eyes and hands on there

1809
01:16:00,870 --> 01:15:58,400
that no one defines what the french

1810
01:16:03,750 --> 01:16:00,880
source is well it turns out that acadia

1811
01:16:05,110 --> 01:16:03,760
which later became uh

1812
01:16:07,350 --> 01:16:05,120
nova scotia

1813
01:16:09,350 --> 01:16:07,360
was the french source

1814
01:16:11,110 --> 01:16:09,360
so it it you know it only stands to

1815
01:16:13,030 --> 01:16:11,120
reason now

1816
01:16:15,990 --> 01:16:13,040
my my young uh

1817
01:16:18,149 --> 01:16:16,000
uh research assistant uh

1818
01:16:19,910 --> 01:16:18,159
found something that is just incredible

1819
01:16:22,790 --> 01:16:19,920
for me i've been looking for years for

1820
01:16:24,709 --> 01:16:22,800
it and i haven't found such a pithy

1821
01:16:26,709 --> 01:16:24,719
summing up of the events

1822
01:16:29,110 --> 01:16:26,719
that he found and he

1823
01:16:32,550 --> 01:16:29,120
was very glib about it like incidentally

1824
01:16:34,630 --> 01:16:32,560
you know i found this thing by the way

1825
01:16:36,950 --> 01:16:34,640
this is like you know the goose that

1826
01:16:40,070 --> 01:16:36,960
laid the golden egg and it it's exact so

1827
01:16:41,750 --> 01:16:40,080
can i read to you this it's just a it's

1828
01:16:44,070 --> 01:16:41,760
not a long paragraph

1829
01:16:46,870 --> 01:16:44,080
um but it's taken directly from what

1830
01:16:48,790 --> 01:16:46,880
what uh rodney macleod found sure and

1831
01:16:50,630 --> 01:16:48,800
it's written by someone who wrote a book

1832
01:16:53,270 --> 01:16:50,640
called the rebellion and savagery the

1833
01:16:55,350 --> 01:16:53,280
jacobite rising of 1745 and the british

1834
01:16:57,110 --> 01:16:55,360
empire that he wrote just before he

1835
01:16:59,750 --> 01:16:57,120
wrote this one i'm going to quote from

1836
01:17:02,390 --> 01:16:59,760
which is titled an unsettled conquest

1837
01:17:04,709 --> 01:17:02,400
the british campaign against the people

1838
01:17:06,390 --> 01:17:04,719
peoples of acadia

1839
01:17:09,430 --> 01:17:06,400
which is remember it which is nova

1840
01:17:11,590 --> 01:17:09,440
scotia and and remember that the

1841
01:17:13,430 --> 01:17:11,600
wabanaki confederacy of indigenous

1842
01:17:15,030 --> 01:17:13,440
people who were associated with that

1843
01:17:17,430 --> 01:17:15,040
region

1844
01:17:19,270 --> 01:17:17,440
started in 1688

1845
01:17:23,270 --> 01:17:19,280
when king james was deposed that's no

1846
01:17:26,070 --> 01:17:23,280
coincidence oh and it ended in 1763 okay

1847
01:17:27,910 --> 01:17:26,080
so that's long after 1746

1848
01:17:30,550 --> 01:17:27,920
so that that's how long the wabanacki

1849
01:17:32,070 --> 01:17:30,560
confederacy existed so okay this is i'm

1850
01:17:34,310 --> 01:17:32,080
quoting from this highly acclaimed work

1851
01:17:36,630 --> 01:17:34,320
by jeffrey planck that was published in

1852
01:17:38,310 --> 01:17:36,640
the year 2000 an unsettled conquest the

1853
01:17:39,350 --> 01:17:38,320
british campaign against the peoples of

1854
01:17:44,870 --> 01:17:39,360
acadia

1855
01:17:45,830 --> 01:17:44,880
permanently renamed nova scotia by the

1856
01:17:47,830 --> 01:17:45,840
british

1857
01:17:50,390 --> 01:17:47,840
when they began an ambitious occupation

1858
01:17:52,310 --> 01:17:50,400
of the territory in 1710

1859
01:17:54,870 --> 01:17:52,320
witnessed one of the bitterest struggles

1860
01:17:57,350 --> 01:17:54,880
in the british empire

1861
01:17:59,669 --> 01:17:57,360
for in nova scotia

1862
01:18:02,070 --> 01:17:59,679
which is arcadia at this point the

1863
01:18:04,630 --> 01:18:02,080
mikmaq that mikma

1864
01:18:07,110 --> 01:18:04,640
uh the the native local population and

1865
01:18:09,110 --> 01:18:07,120
the acadians uh

1866
01:18:11,910 --> 01:18:09,120
descendants of the original french

1867
01:18:13,110 --> 01:18:11,920
settlers had coexisted for more than a

1868
01:18:15,189 --> 01:18:13,120
century

1869
01:18:17,990 --> 01:18:15,199
prior to the british conquest and their

1870
01:18:20,630 --> 01:18:18,000
friendships family ties common catholic

1871
01:18:22,550 --> 01:18:20,640
religion and commercial relationships

1872
01:18:25,189 --> 01:18:22,560
proved resistant

1873
01:18:27,830 --> 01:18:25,199
to british enforced change

1874
01:18:30,550 --> 01:18:27,840
despite numerous attempts efforts at

1875
01:18:32,870 --> 01:18:30,560
separating acadians from the mikma

1876
01:18:37,110 --> 01:18:32,880
the authorities took drastic steps in

1877
01:18:39,350 --> 01:18:37,120
the 1750s this is after 1746 keep in

1878
01:18:42,470 --> 01:18:39,360
mind right this is after the final

1879
01:18:45,270 --> 01:18:42,480
jacobi rebellion okay forcibly depart

1880
01:18:47,590 --> 01:18:45,280
deporting the acadians to other british

1881
01:18:49,510 --> 01:18:47,600
colonies and systematically decimating

1882
01:18:52,550 --> 01:18:49,520
the native population well i want to

1883
01:18:55,110 --> 01:18:52,560
tell you that the word cajun

1884
01:18:57,590 --> 01:18:55,120
it down new orleans way yeah

1885
01:19:04,709 --> 01:18:57,600
if i'm gonna say in french the acadians

1886
01:19:04,719 --> 01:19:15,750
the cajun cajun that's right

1887
01:19:19,750 --> 01:19:18,070
this etymology so okay

1888
01:19:21,750 --> 01:19:19,760
but here's what here's what those

1889
01:19:22,630 --> 01:19:21,760
english people did

1890
01:19:25,750 --> 01:19:22,640
you know

1891
01:19:28,149 --> 01:19:25,760
forgive forgive my bigotry here but uh

1892
01:19:29,669 --> 01:19:28,159
uh here's what they did

1893
01:19:32,630 --> 01:19:29,679
to people called

1894
01:19:35,030 --> 01:19:32,640
the baotoks who are the sibling to the

1895
01:19:37,110 --> 01:19:35,040
mikmah but up in newfoundland which is

1896
01:19:38,870 --> 01:19:37,120
just north of nova scotia

1897
01:19:40,630 --> 01:19:38,880
they they

1898
01:19:44,149 --> 01:19:40,640
would have you know how the british they

1899
01:19:47,030 --> 01:19:44,159
like to do their fox hunts on sunday

1900
01:19:47,830 --> 01:19:47,040
well instead of hunting down fox

1901
01:19:51,430 --> 01:19:47,840
wow

1902
01:19:54,470 --> 01:19:51,440
they hunted down baotok people who had

1903
01:19:55,669 --> 01:19:54,480
no horses no way to flee and they hunted

1904
01:19:58,550 --> 01:19:55,679
them down

1905
01:20:01,590 --> 01:19:58,560
in the forests and in in the in you know

1906
01:20:05,110 --> 01:20:01,600
in the bushy areas of newfoundland

1907
01:20:07,030 --> 01:20:05,120
and to the last one murdered them all

1908
01:20:08,550 --> 01:20:07,040
it's a genocide it's simply genocide

1909
01:20:10,629 --> 01:20:08,560
that's what it comes down to

1910
01:20:13,270 --> 01:20:10,639
it is and then look at the what the

1911
01:20:16,070 --> 01:20:13,280
french did on the other hand how close

1912
01:20:19,189 --> 01:20:16,080
they got with the with with the mikma

1913
01:20:22,310 --> 01:20:19,199
yeah and with the all the earlier french

1914
01:20:24,870 --> 01:20:22,320
settlers it became known as the catian

1915
01:20:25,750 --> 01:20:24,880
the the the people of acadia

1916
01:20:27,030 --> 01:20:25,760
uh

1917
01:20:29,990 --> 01:20:27,040
you know

1918
01:20:32,870 --> 01:20:30,000
it's it's not for no reason that america

1919
01:20:34,629 --> 01:20:32,880
had uh the revolution in you know in in

1920
01:20:35,350 --> 01:20:34,639
1776

1921
01:20:37,350 --> 01:20:35,360
and

1922
01:20:38,950 --> 01:20:37,360
i call that the final victory of the

1923
01:20:40,790 --> 01:20:38,960
jacobites because

1924
01:20:42,070 --> 01:20:40,800
the americans supported the jacobite

1925
01:20:43,350 --> 01:20:42,080
movement not the

1926
01:20:45,350 --> 01:20:43,360
certainly not the

1927
01:20:46,390 --> 01:20:45,360
you know the usurpers of the british

1928
01:20:48,629 --> 01:20:46,400
crown

1929
01:20:51,270 --> 01:20:48,639
to the extent that that that george

1930
01:20:53,430 --> 01:20:51,280
washington sent four emissaries to rome

1931
01:20:55,510 --> 01:20:53,440
to bring the son of bonnie prince

1932
01:20:57,990 --> 01:20:55,520
charles edward stewart

1933
01:20:59,030 --> 01:20:58,000
to america to become america's first

1934
01:21:01,110 --> 01:20:59,040
king

1935
01:21:02,629 --> 01:21:01,120
this is in the mana water papers it's in

1936
01:21:04,470 --> 01:21:02,639
the congressional record the

1937
01:21:07,030 --> 01:21:04,480
congressional archives there are four

1938
01:21:10,070 --> 01:21:07,040
different sources that attest to this

1939
01:21:11,350 --> 01:21:10,080
fact that george washington was going to

1940
01:21:13,270 --> 01:21:11,360
have

1941
01:21:16,070 --> 01:21:13,280
the stewart line

1942
01:21:17,750 --> 01:21:16,080
enthroned once again but in america in

1943
01:21:19,270 --> 01:21:17,760
the same way that the rosicrucians and

1944
01:21:22,390 --> 01:21:19,280
the freemasons

1945
01:21:25,830 --> 01:21:22,400
shifted their orientation quite a bit

1946
01:21:27,590 --> 01:21:25,840
on on this side of the of the puddle

1947
01:21:28,709 --> 01:21:27,600
not so much in canada but certainly in

1948
01:21:31,270 --> 01:21:28,719
america

1949
01:21:34,149 --> 01:21:31,280
uh compared to the rosicrucians and the

1950
01:21:36,390 --> 01:21:34,159
freemasons of of europe

1951
01:21:38,070 --> 01:21:36,400
so yale where the voynich manuscript is

1952
01:21:41,510 --> 01:21:38,080
kept right now you know

1953
01:21:45,270 --> 01:21:41,520
has has skull and bones that they that

1954
01:21:48,390 --> 01:21:45,280
skull of bones came from a german

1955
01:21:51,669 --> 01:21:48,400
masonic lodge model and it was

1956
01:21:53,350 --> 01:21:51,679
transplanted over to yale because it

1957
01:21:54,870 --> 01:21:53,360
didn't function well with the you know

1958
01:21:57,669 --> 01:21:54,880
the old archaic

1959
01:21:59,430 --> 01:21:57,679
hardly archaic but but but you know i

1960
01:22:00,550 --> 01:21:59,440
guess it was by their standards then it

1961
01:22:03,750 --> 01:22:00,560
was

1962
01:22:05,510 --> 01:22:03,760
method of doing masonry in europe and

1963
01:22:07,990 --> 01:22:05,520
and in great britain same thing with

1964
01:22:10,070 --> 01:22:08,000
prosecutionism so this you know

1965
01:22:12,070 --> 01:22:10,080
secret societies abound all this

1966
01:22:13,669 --> 01:22:12,080
intrigue yes buff it's funny you bring

1967
01:22:15,189 --> 01:22:13,679
that up with the freemasons because i i

1968
01:22:18,070 --> 01:22:15,199
want to actually a little follow-up

1969
01:22:19,750 --> 01:22:18,080
question with that and i i know i'm not

1970
01:22:21,350 --> 01:22:19,760
i'm personally not a big believer in

1971
01:22:22,870 --> 01:22:21,360
this but i'm going to ask

1972
01:22:24,950 --> 01:22:22,880
this question anyway what about all the

1973
01:22:27,189 --> 01:22:24,960
speculation that the holy grail and

1974
01:22:29,110 --> 01:22:27,199
other priceless objects belonging to the

1975
01:22:31,669 --> 01:22:29,120
knights templar were relocated to the

1976
01:22:34,629 --> 01:22:32,870
well two

1977
01:22:38,870 --> 01:22:34,639
one very important

1978
01:22:43,910 --> 01:22:41,110
insignia which is

1979
01:22:46,629 --> 01:22:43,920
a reverse relief perfectly

1980
01:22:49,189 --> 01:22:46,639
of the templar cross

1981
01:22:52,310 --> 01:22:49,199
of the templar flag

1982
01:22:54,550 --> 01:22:52,320
and it's perfect i mean it is perfect so

1983
01:22:57,270 --> 01:22:54,560
that that alone can't be a coincidence

1984
01:22:59,270 --> 01:22:57,280
this there's something you know major

1985
01:23:02,310 --> 01:22:59,280
in importance about that

1986
01:23:04,709 --> 01:23:02,320
the the idea that the templars had

1987
01:23:07,350 --> 01:23:04,719
something to do with the money pit

1988
01:23:09,110 --> 01:23:07,360
goes to the issue of what happened to

1989
01:23:11,590 --> 01:23:09,120
the ark of the covenant

1990
01:23:13,189 --> 01:23:11,600
and many believe that the templars

1991
01:23:16,470 --> 01:23:13,199
actually found it

1992
01:23:18,070 --> 01:23:16,480
i i explored the area where they dug

1993
01:23:20,870 --> 01:23:18,080
underneath the temple mount i spent a

1994
01:23:22,709 --> 01:23:20,880
lot of time down there i saw where they

1995
01:23:24,709 --> 01:23:22,719
excavated the templars were kind of the

1996
01:23:27,430 --> 01:23:24,719
first western archaeologists you know

1997
01:23:29,350 --> 01:23:27,440
before egyptology was born and so on you

1998
01:23:32,310 --> 01:23:29,360
know they were they were looking for for

1999
01:23:36,070 --> 01:23:32,320
the temple treasure but they believed

2000
01:23:37,350 --> 01:23:36,080
um solomon and then his descendants when

2001
01:23:38,950 --> 01:23:37,360
the temple was

2002
01:23:41,590 --> 01:23:38,960
was still standing

2003
01:23:43,590 --> 01:23:41,600
would would have uh hidden in in the

2004
01:23:44,870 --> 01:23:43,600
event of an invasion and a destruction

2005
01:23:46,629 --> 01:23:44,880
of the temple

2006
01:23:49,270 --> 01:23:46,639
so they were looking for that and if

2007
01:23:51,430 --> 01:23:49,280
they found it

2008
01:23:54,310 --> 01:23:51,440
where would they have taken it the idea

2009
01:23:55,510 --> 01:23:54,320
the idea is that that there would be

2010
01:23:56,870 --> 01:23:55,520
locations

2011
01:23:59,030 --> 01:23:56,880
on this earth

2012
01:24:02,070 --> 01:23:59,040
that a

2013
01:24:04,310 --> 01:24:02,080
if you will a secret cabal or a secret

2014
01:24:06,229 --> 01:24:04,320
society that's existed for the time of

2015
01:24:08,149 --> 01:24:06,239
ancient samaria

2016
01:24:10,790 --> 01:24:08,159
and has not been truncated has never

2017
01:24:14,470 --> 01:24:10,800
been destroyed or broken

2018
01:24:17,110 --> 01:24:14,480
um you know has existed and and kept its

2019
01:24:18,470 --> 01:24:17,120
treasures and hidden it's it's its

2020
01:24:20,950 --> 01:24:18,480
writings and

2021
01:24:23,430 --> 01:24:20,960
all of that you know over the course of

2022
01:24:25,350 --> 01:24:23,440
many thousands of years right and i

2023
01:24:27,669 --> 01:24:25,360
don't i don't have any problem with this

2024
01:24:30,390 --> 01:24:27,679
idea because the code the code system

2025
01:24:32,390 --> 01:24:30,400
used by the templars called the abjad

2026
01:24:34,070 --> 01:24:32,400
uh system of

2027
01:24:36,149 --> 01:24:34,080
of encryption

2028
01:24:37,830 --> 01:24:36,159
was used by sargon

2029
01:24:39,270 --> 01:24:37,840
one of the one of the babylonian

2030
01:24:42,790 --> 01:24:39,280
emperors

2031
01:24:45,830 --> 01:24:42,800
in that 700 are on 700 bc

2032
01:24:48,629 --> 01:24:45,840
when when sargon applied the abjad

2033
01:24:49,830 --> 01:24:48,639
system and so if he applied it he didn't

2034
01:24:52,550 --> 01:24:49,840
invent it

2035
01:24:55,189 --> 01:24:52,560
it was it preceded him and you know

2036
01:24:58,390 --> 01:24:55,199
there's evidence of the abjad system of

2037
01:25:02,149 --> 01:24:58,400
incipient of coding going back you know

2038
01:25:04,310 --> 01:25:02,159
way before the time of sargon so that

2039
01:25:06,310 --> 01:25:04,320
you know and who so who would have used

2040
01:25:09,189 --> 01:25:06,320
codes who would have for that many

2041
01:25:10,790 --> 01:25:09,199
hundreds and thousands of years used

2042
01:25:12,470 --> 01:25:10,800
coding

2043
01:25:14,709 --> 01:25:12,480
to hide information

2044
01:25:16,709 --> 01:25:14,719
and locations of things it would have

2045
01:25:17,910 --> 01:25:16,719
been this that same

2046
01:25:23,669 --> 01:25:17,920
order

2047
01:25:26,310 --> 01:25:23,679
and it has good and bad forces about it

2048
01:25:27,350 --> 01:25:26,320
and it's forever in intention within

2049
01:25:29,750 --> 01:25:27,360
itself

2050
01:25:32,870 --> 01:25:29,760
i'm i'm quite certain of that

2051
01:25:35,830 --> 01:25:32,880
um so the money pit

2052
01:25:39,110 --> 01:25:35,840
it you know could could well have been

2053
01:25:42,310 --> 01:25:39,120
used over the millennia

2054
01:25:43,750 --> 01:25:42,320
by this same order and what about the

2055
01:25:45,510 --> 01:25:43,760
phoenician connection possibly to

2056
01:25:47,910 --> 01:25:45,520
nebuchadnezzar yes

2057
01:25:50,470 --> 01:25:47,920
well instead so instead of the knights

2058
01:25:52,950 --> 01:25:50,480
templar let's go much further back to

2059
01:25:54,629 --> 01:25:52,960
the to the destruction of the of the

2060
01:25:56,950 --> 01:25:54,639
temple of solomon

2061
01:25:58,790 --> 01:25:56,960
when we know that that we know with

2062
01:26:00,229 --> 01:25:58,800
certainty that certain of the temple

2063
01:26:02,870 --> 01:26:00,239
treasures

2064
01:26:04,629 --> 01:26:02,880
survived because later

2065
01:26:07,270 --> 01:26:04,639
when when the second temple was

2066
01:26:09,030 --> 01:26:07,280
destroyed herod's temple which was still

2067
01:26:12,229 --> 01:26:09,040
you know a jewish

2068
01:26:14,310 --> 01:26:12,239
sacred temple built on the solomonic you

2069
01:26:16,550 --> 01:26:14,320
know location and so forth

2070
01:26:19,189 --> 01:26:16,560
that that that uh

2071
01:26:21,990 --> 01:26:19,199
when the romans took the treasures uh

2072
01:26:24,310 --> 01:26:22,000
out and destroyed the temple you know 2

2073
01:26:25,430 --> 01:26:24,320
000 years ago only instead of 20

2074
01:26:28,070 --> 01:26:25,440
25

2075
01:26:30,470 --> 01:26:28,080
100 years plus ago which would have been

2076
01:26:33,350 --> 01:26:30,480
the nebuchadnezzar period

2077
01:26:37,830 --> 01:26:33,360
that there was still the sacred menorah

2078
01:26:40,790 --> 01:26:37,840
and incense uh uh uh you know apparatus

2079
01:26:43,430 --> 01:26:40,800
and and all kinds of other paraphernalia

2080
01:26:46,149 --> 01:26:43,440
that was used by the high priest in the

2081
01:26:48,470 --> 01:26:46,159
inner sanctum and and within the the

2082
01:26:49,189 --> 01:26:48,480
precincts of the temple itself

2083
01:26:50,950 --> 01:26:49,199
so

2084
01:26:53,910 --> 01:26:50,960
because those are all carved on the arch

2085
01:26:56,470 --> 01:26:53,920
of titus and that that's the famous you

2086
01:26:58,470 --> 01:26:56,480
know evidence source that that

2087
01:27:00,950 --> 01:26:58,480
everything but the ark of the covenant

2088
01:27:03,350 --> 01:27:00,960
had survived the first destruction and

2089
01:27:05,430 --> 01:27:03,360
the second destruction of the temple

2090
01:27:07,669 --> 01:27:05,440
so so that so we know the ark of the

2091
01:27:11,270 --> 01:27:07,679
covenant just goes missing it vanishes

2092
01:27:12,070 --> 01:27:11,280
completely from any record reference to

2093
01:27:15,910 --> 01:27:12,080
it

2094
01:27:18,390 --> 01:27:15,920
legends fables

2095
01:27:20,310 --> 01:27:18,400
hallucinations and so

2096
01:27:22,390 --> 01:27:20,320
um

2097
01:27:23,510 --> 01:27:22,400
even fdr had an interest in the money

2098
01:27:25,830 --> 01:27:23,520
pit

2099
01:27:28,550 --> 01:27:25,840
right but he that see

2100
01:27:29,350 --> 01:27:28,560
his interest would have been because he

2101
01:27:34,950 --> 01:27:29,360
was

2102
01:27:36,709 --> 01:27:34,960
ancient

2103
01:27:38,550 --> 01:27:36,719
secret order

2104
01:27:40,149 --> 01:27:38,560
as was george washington one out of

2105
01:27:42,709 --> 01:27:40,159
three american presidents was a

2106
01:27:44,470 --> 01:27:42,719
freemason that doesn't mean the masons

2107
01:27:46,870 --> 01:27:44,480
were able to co-opt that order because

2108
01:27:49,189 --> 01:27:46,880
they didn't it's pretty self-evident in

2109
01:27:50,470 --> 01:27:49,199
my opinion having had a lot to do with

2110
01:27:51,910 --> 01:27:50,480
masonry

2111
01:27:53,750 --> 01:27:51,920
um and i

2112
01:27:55,830 --> 01:27:53,760
i really have nothing against it but

2113
01:27:56,950 --> 01:27:55,840
they're not the keepers of the ultimate

2114
01:27:59,350 --> 01:27:56,960
secrets

2115
01:28:01,270 --> 01:27:59,360
uh they're the keepers of other things

2116
01:28:04,149 --> 01:28:01,280
some secrets but secrets that have

2117
01:28:05,350 --> 01:28:04,159
changed over time and so on the the real

2118
01:28:08,390 --> 01:28:05,360
ultimate

2119
01:28:10,870 --> 01:28:08,400
uh material and and tradition

2120
01:28:12,790 --> 01:28:10,880
um is still well kept

2121
01:28:14,390 --> 01:28:12,800
you know by a grand master and his

2122
01:28:16,310 --> 01:28:14,400
senior shawls

2123
01:28:18,149 --> 01:28:16,320
uh and and

2124
01:28:21,030 --> 01:28:18,159
that's a long story we can have it we

2125
01:28:22,709 --> 01:28:21,040
you need a separate show just uh

2126
01:28:24,790 --> 01:28:22,719
hopefully we'll have you down the line

2127
01:28:27,510 --> 01:28:24,800
in the future

2128
01:28:29,910 --> 01:28:27,520
too so that we could once and for all

2129
01:28:33,350 --> 01:28:29,920
bury this priory of scion

2130
01:28:36,149 --> 01:28:33,360
illusion and delusion it was saturated

2131
01:28:38,629 --> 01:28:36,159
by the absorbed by the jesuits

2132
01:28:40,070 --> 01:28:38,639
um and and there's no question about

2133
01:28:43,750 --> 01:28:40,080
that

2134
01:28:46,149 --> 01:28:43,760
of sicily

2135
01:28:48,229 --> 01:28:46,159
and we know when

2136
01:28:51,030 --> 01:28:48,239
the the the primary of science stopped

2137
01:28:53,350 --> 01:28:51,040
existing once once it was absorbed by

2138
01:28:55,750 --> 01:28:53,360
the jesuit order the jesuits are what

2139
01:28:58,310 --> 01:28:55,760
it's all about in terms of the voynich

2140
01:29:01,030 --> 01:28:58,320
manuscript and the you know who who were

2141
01:29:03,510 --> 01:29:01,040
the who were the ongoing transmitters of

2142
01:29:04,390 --> 01:29:03,520
some of the you know bigger secrets

2143
01:29:06,310 --> 01:29:04,400
but

2144
01:29:07,830 --> 01:29:06,320
you think a subtle pattern begins to

2145
01:29:10,070 --> 01:29:07,840
emerge there

2146
01:29:11,830 --> 01:29:10,080
absolutely absolutely i mean whatever

2147
01:29:13,910 --> 01:29:11,840
anybody wants to think about jesuits you

2148
01:29:16,229 --> 01:29:13,920
everybody should know that they were

2149
01:29:18,229 --> 01:29:16,239
kicked out of every european nation

2150
01:29:20,229 --> 01:29:18,239
um they were kicked out of the vatican

2151
01:29:22,870 --> 01:29:20,239
they couldn't even have their archives

2152
01:29:24,950 --> 01:29:22,880
mixed with vatican archives so that when

2153
01:29:27,750 --> 01:29:24,960
i did work in the jesuit archives in

2154
01:29:30,950 --> 01:29:27,760
rome i i had to go to this location that

2155
01:29:33,590 --> 01:29:30,960
was connected to the outside boundary of

2156
01:29:36,470 --> 01:29:33,600
the vatican they weren't allowed in now

2157
01:29:38,310 --> 01:29:36,480
we have two jesuit popes

2158
01:29:41,189 --> 01:29:38,320
there are some interesting prophecies

2159
01:29:43,350 --> 01:29:41,199
about that dude you know the the pope of

2160
01:29:44,390 --> 01:29:43,360
the jesuit order is called the black

2161
01:29:45,590 --> 01:29:44,400
pope

2162
01:29:48,229 --> 01:29:45,600
the the

2163
01:29:50,229 --> 01:29:48,239
and this isn't hocus pocus spooky stuff

2164
01:29:52,390 --> 01:29:50,239
okay this is just the way it is

2165
01:29:55,590 --> 01:29:52,400
that's what he's called right and now we

2166
01:29:57,350 --> 01:29:55,600
have the first jesuit pope ever

2167
01:29:59,270 --> 01:29:57,360
ever to be elected

2168
01:30:01,669 --> 01:29:59,280
which puts a chill through a lot of

2169
01:30:03,910 --> 01:30:01,679
people's you know nervous systems be

2170
01:30:05,750 --> 01:30:03,920
because of the implications that's a

2171
01:30:08,070 --> 01:30:05,760
tremendous amount of power all of a

2172
01:30:09,830 --> 01:30:08,080
sudden for the jesuit order which has

2173
01:30:12,709 --> 01:30:09,840
been seen to be up to a whole lot of

2174
01:30:14,629 --> 01:30:12,719
mischief for many many many centuries to

2175
01:30:17,110 --> 01:30:14,639
all of a sudden have they had they have

2176
01:30:19,510 --> 01:30:17,120
the club they they control the vatican

2177
01:30:22,709 --> 01:30:19,520
completely i have i have a first cousin

2178
01:30:26,390 --> 01:30:22,719
who's now deceased but he he uh he was a

2179
01:30:29,430 --> 01:30:26,400
jesuit cardinal so i have some original

2180
01:30:31,189 --> 01:30:29,440
uh tapping sources about uh yes looking

2181
01:30:34,229 --> 01:30:31,199
for the jesuits

2182
01:30:37,189 --> 01:30:34,239
okay did i answer that yes you did

2183
01:30:39,030 --> 01:30:37,199
a fair answer yes and we have about 20

2184
01:30:41,110 --> 01:30:39,040
minutes so i just want to push a couple

2185
01:30:43,669 --> 01:30:41,120
of questions uh to you

2186
01:30:46,310 --> 01:30:43,679
before we uh run out of time i wanted to

2187
01:30:49,830 --> 01:30:46,320
ask you at 60 feet in the money pit

2188
01:30:51,830 --> 01:30:49,840
itself they found coconut fibers and of

2189
01:30:53,990 --> 01:30:51,840
course we know that coconut fibers

2190
01:30:55,590 --> 01:30:54,000
aren't native to nova scotia oak and oak

2191
01:30:57,590 --> 01:30:55,600
island so

2192
01:30:59,590 --> 01:30:57,600
how do you think they got there and also

2193
01:31:01,750 --> 01:30:59,600
what use would they have been what would

2194
01:31:03,030 --> 01:31:01,760
they have been used for at the depth of

2195
01:31:04,950 --> 01:31:03,040
60 feet

2196
01:31:12,229 --> 01:31:04,960
well number one we know that coconut

2197
01:31:16,310 --> 01:31:14,629
would not have lasted

2198
01:31:18,790 --> 01:31:16,320
even though they're the most resilient

2199
01:31:20,950 --> 01:31:18,800
probably of all organic fibers almost of

2200
01:31:23,430 --> 01:31:20,960
all organic fibers they still wouldn't

2201
01:31:25,910 --> 01:31:23,440
have lasted at 60 feet down for the

2202
01:31:28,950 --> 01:31:25,920
amount of time it would have taken 60

2203
01:31:31,669 --> 01:31:28,960
feet to you know overburden that that

2204
01:31:33,990 --> 01:31:31,679
that site where the fibers were covered

2205
01:31:34,950 --> 01:31:34,000
that does you know so it has to be by

2206
01:31:40,390 --> 01:31:34,960
human

2207
01:31:42,390 --> 01:31:40,400
it that that that

2208
01:31:45,110 --> 01:31:42,400
the coconut fibers

2209
01:31:45,910 --> 01:31:45,120
ended up where it ended up

2210
01:31:47,590 --> 01:31:45,920
okay

2211
01:31:49,350 --> 01:31:47,600
so what would they what would they have

2212
01:31:51,669 --> 01:31:49,360
been used for the coconut fibers the

2213
01:31:54,790 --> 01:31:51,679
coconut fibers were found in an area

2214
01:31:57,430 --> 01:31:54,800
close to or in one of the flood tunnels

2215
01:31:59,110 --> 01:31:57,440
which is one of the booby traps

2216
01:32:04,070 --> 01:31:59,120
at oak island

2217
01:32:08,950 --> 01:32:07,350
material mixed with other materials

2218
01:32:11,350 --> 01:32:08,960
that would have kept

2219
01:32:12,950 --> 01:32:11,360
ocean

2220
01:32:15,590 --> 01:32:12,960
materials from

2221
01:32:17,830 --> 01:32:15,600
you know also mixing with the water that

2222
01:32:21,030 --> 01:32:17,840
that would have gone into

2223
01:32:23,990 --> 01:32:21,040
into the into or into the money pit so

2224
01:32:26,709 --> 01:32:24,000
so it had a

2225
01:32:27,430 --> 01:32:26,719
coconut fiber had a filtering aspect to

2226
01:32:31,510 --> 01:32:27,440
it

2227
01:32:33,830 --> 01:32:31,520
of uh

2228
01:32:35,750 --> 01:32:33,840
caulking material

2229
01:32:36,629 --> 01:32:35,760
uh

2230
01:32:38,390 --> 01:32:36,639
that

2231
01:32:41,350 --> 01:32:38,400
would seal things

2232
01:32:42,229 --> 01:32:41,360
a kind of cement almost

2233
01:32:44,149 --> 01:32:42,239
um

2234
01:32:46,709 --> 01:32:44,159
so

2235
01:32:49,510 --> 01:32:46,719
and and it was found in that form mixed

2236
01:32:51,990 --> 01:32:49,520
with other materials

2237
01:32:53,430 --> 01:32:52,000
to make insulation

2238
01:32:55,910 --> 01:32:53,440
we know that's a different no that's

2239
01:32:57,910 --> 01:32:55,920
different use the insulation is the

2240
01:32:59,990 --> 01:32:57,920
packing material

2241
01:33:02,390 --> 01:33:00,000
fibers are also used for packing so

2242
01:33:05,110 --> 01:33:02,400
let's say we have some kind of really

2243
01:33:07,590 --> 01:33:05,120
priceless artifact the ark of the

2244
01:33:10,229 --> 01:33:07,600
covenant which by the way i am not

2245
01:33:11,910 --> 01:33:10,239
propounding the theory of okay i'm just

2246
01:33:14,709 --> 01:33:11,920
saying it is a theory there's a

2247
01:33:15,990 --> 01:33:14,719
plausibility to it from two sources the

2248
01:33:17,430 --> 01:33:16,000
templars and

2249
01:33:19,510 --> 01:33:17,440
and which we didn't cover the

2250
01:33:21,510 --> 01:33:19,520
phoenicians and their relationship to

2251
01:33:23,189 --> 01:33:21,520
nebuchadnezzar and the army but let's

2252
01:33:26,070 --> 01:33:23,199
get back to that in a moment

2253
01:33:29,830 --> 01:33:26,080
um the the the coconut fibers would have

2254
01:33:32,149 --> 01:33:29,840
been used you know for for packing

2255
01:33:34,830 --> 01:33:32,159
like bubble like the bubble stuff we use

2256
01:33:38,390 --> 01:33:34,840
now to you know protect the cargo

2257
01:33:40,310 --> 01:33:38,400
exactly um you know or to use as as a

2258
01:33:43,910 --> 01:33:40,320
filtering agent

2259
01:33:44,870 --> 01:33:43,920
or to use in a mix for uh you know for a

2260
01:33:45,910 --> 01:33:44,880
kind of

2261
01:33:48,550 --> 01:33:45,920
of uh

2262
01:33:54,310 --> 01:33:48,560
elastic uh uh

2263
01:33:58,550 --> 01:33:56,470
and so so that you know that what does

2264
01:34:02,310 --> 01:33:58,560
that say that's saying that people

2265
01:34:03,910 --> 01:34:02,320
clearly were using uh coconut fibers

2266
01:34:06,390 --> 01:34:03,920
that they could only have gotten from

2267
01:34:09,030 --> 01:34:06,400
you know quite a ways south

2268
01:34:12,709 --> 01:34:09,040
caribbean from oak island

2269
01:34:13,830 --> 01:34:12,719
and and and that implies the treasure

2270
01:34:14,870 --> 01:34:13,840
ships

2271
01:34:16,709 --> 01:34:14,880
because

2272
01:34:20,470 --> 01:34:16,719
you know where if they're if they're

2273
01:34:21,830 --> 01:34:20,480
using coconut fiber for those purposes

2274
01:34:24,310 --> 01:34:21,840
you know they're getting it from the

2275
01:34:26,070 --> 01:34:24,320
area where where all the the great

2276
01:34:29,430 --> 01:34:26,080
pirates you know were

2277
01:34:31,590 --> 01:34:29,440
were found and and all that

2278
01:34:34,310 --> 01:34:31,600
all those legends grew from from from

2279
01:34:36,149 --> 01:34:34,320
that area south of oak island did the

2280
01:34:38,229 --> 01:34:36,159
kids that went there uh the three

2281
01:34:39,910 --> 01:34:38,239
teenagers uh i can't think of their

2282
01:34:42,470 --> 01:34:39,920
names offhand

2283
01:34:45,270 --> 01:34:42,480
but didn't they uh think that they were

2284
01:34:47,270 --> 01:34:45,280
gonna find king uh captain kids treasure

2285
01:34:50,310 --> 01:34:47,280
there when they were digging initially i

2286
01:34:54,070 --> 01:34:50,320
think it was in 1795 i believe exactly

2287
01:34:56,310 --> 01:34:54,080
exactly 1795. yeah the the the

2288
01:34:58,550 --> 01:34:56,320
thing to remember if i'm right about

2289
01:35:01,910 --> 01:34:58,560
about phipps uh

2290
01:35:06,149 --> 01:35:01,920
putting the gold in 1680 whatever it

2291
01:35:08,390 --> 01:35:06,159
would be 1688.89 uh into the money pit

2292
01:35:10,550 --> 01:35:08,400
um you know it

2293
01:35:14,310 --> 01:35:10,560
it would have been taken out by the

2294
01:35:18,149 --> 01:35:14,320
jankier in 1746

2295
01:35:20,950 --> 01:35:18,159
so we have 1746 to 1795.

2296
01:35:22,870 --> 01:35:20,960
so what the boys saw and described was a

2297
01:35:25,109 --> 01:35:22,880
bit of an indention

2298
01:35:27,350 --> 01:35:25,119
like a sinkhole

2299
01:35:29,510 --> 01:35:27,360
but with a lot of foliage you know with

2300
01:35:31,030 --> 01:35:29,520
some with grasses and so on growing on

2301
01:35:32,629 --> 01:35:31,040
it it would have had that there would

2302
01:35:35,750 --> 01:35:32,639
have been that much time

2303
01:35:38,070 --> 01:35:35,760
uh if the last time it was it was uh

2304
01:35:39,669 --> 01:35:38,080
used and and that would have been to

2305
01:35:42,070 --> 01:35:39,679
bring the gold out

2306
01:35:44,310 --> 01:35:42,080
um you know all that got covered over

2307
01:35:46,870 --> 01:35:44,320
again so that so there was enough time

2308
01:35:48,870 --> 01:35:46,880
for that for that growth to happen to

2309
01:35:51,270 --> 01:35:48,880
just give the image of there being an

2310
01:35:53,350 --> 01:35:51,280
into something interesting there so yeah

2311
01:35:55,669 --> 01:35:53,360
they got they got into all the romantic

2312
01:35:58,550 --> 01:35:55,679
uh pirate notions of the caribbean the

2313
01:36:00,470 --> 01:35:58,560
kids did and one thing led to another

2314
01:36:01,590 --> 01:36:00,480
but let's let's backtrack just real

2315
01:36:03,350 --> 01:36:01,600
quickly on the

2316
01:36:05,270 --> 01:36:03,360
on the arc this ark of the covenant

2317
01:36:09,109 --> 01:36:05,280
issue and then the connection between

2318
01:36:11,109 --> 01:36:09,119
these uh between these uh octagons

2319
01:36:13,510 --> 01:36:11,119
the uh uh

2320
01:36:15,350 --> 01:36:13,520
the tr the temple was destroyed under

2321
01:36:16,709 --> 01:36:15,360
nebuchadnezzar's rule who was the king

2322
01:36:17,990 --> 01:36:16,719
of babylon

2323
01:36:20,709 --> 01:36:18,000
in in

2324
01:36:21,590 --> 01:36:20,719
around 587 bc

2325
01:36:23,510 --> 01:36:21,600
so

2326
01:36:25,510 --> 01:36:23,520
if he had the ark of the covenant and

2327
01:36:27,910 --> 01:36:25,520
wanted to hide it and if he was part of

2328
01:36:29,510 --> 01:36:27,920
that cabal as well or some phoenicians

2329
01:36:31,350 --> 01:36:29,520
were and they told him about this place

2330
01:36:33,030 --> 01:36:31,360
across the atlantic

2331
01:36:37,270 --> 01:36:33,040
so the theory would go

2332
01:36:37,990 --> 01:36:37,280
he then enlisted phoenician shippers

2333
01:36:41,669 --> 01:36:38,000
to

2334
01:36:44,070 --> 01:36:41,679
over

2335
01:36:45,990 --> 01:36:44,080
that that is the only way to account for

2336
01:36:48,229 --> 01:36:46,000
for you know his role

2337
01:36:50,390 --> 01:36:48,239
uh in in securing the ark of the

2338
01:36:52,870 --> 01:36:50,400
covenant that early on

2339
01:36:55,350 --> 01:36:52,880
uh the templar theory is that they found

2340
01:36:57,830 --> 01:36:55,360
it underneath the temple mount and then

2341
01:37:00,709 --> 01:36:57,840
they they they brought it over because

2342
01:37:03,990 --> 01:37:00,719
they would have had knowledge about this

2343
01:37:07,030 --> 01:37:04,000
site from being also in and out of that

2344
01:37:09,830 --> 01:37:07,040
same continuum of secret

2345
01:37:12,070 --> 01:37:09,840
activity on the part of it of an ongoing

2346
01:37:13,990 --> 01:37:12,080
group that by any other name is the same

2347
01:37:15,350 --> 01:37:14,000
same group so you think that the lagina

2348
01:37:16,870 --> 01:37:15,360
brothers that's what they're expecting

2349
01:37:18,629 --> 01:37:16,880
to find there what do you think they're

2350
01:37:20,709 --> 01:37:18,639
expecting to find they got that series

2351
01:37:21,990 --> 01:37:20,719
on the history channel for the last two

2352
01:37:23,109 --> 01:37:22,000
years

2353
01:37:25,030 --> 01:37:23,119
i mean they're putting a lot of

2354
01:37:27,350 --> 01:37:25,040
investment money they they actually own

2355
01:37:29,830 --> 01:37:27,360
the island itself so well now the

2356
01:37:31,109 --> 01:37:29,840
tourism company that the they own the

2357
01:37:33,350 --> 01:37:31,119
group

2358
01:37:35,669 --> 01:37:33,360
they own the greater number of shares in

2359
01:37:38,550 --> 01:37:35,679
the tourism company that owns the

2360
01:37:42,229 --> 01:37:38,560
largest part of oak island okay there's

2361
01:37:44,550 --> 01:37:42,239
somebody living you know uh across

2362
01:37:47,030 --> 01:37:44,560
on the same island who you who used to

2363
01:37:49,590 --> 01:37:47,040
be very cooperative with the team that

2364
01:37:52,070 --> 01:37:49,600
was that was doing the work before

2365
01:37:54,470 --> 01:37:52,080
uh when david tobias was there with with

2366
01:37:57,270 --> 01:37:54,480
the blankenships and so on in the in the

2367
01:38:00,149 --> 01:37:57,280
earlier investigations but they got in

2368
01:38:00,870 --> 01:38:00,159
in a bit of a dispute long story there

2369
01:38:05,109 --> 01:38:00,880
um

2370
01:38:07,590 --> 01:38:05,119
the the octagon uh connection is is

2371
01:38:09,830 --> 01:38:07,600
possibly significant when you when you

2372
01:38:11,750 --> 01:38:09,840
listen to what chief joseph

2373
01:38:12,550 --> 01:38:11,760
narrates in terms of the oral tradition

2374
01:38:14,950 --> 01:38:12,560
about

2375
01:38:17,350 --> 01:38:14,960
those who came to him gave him that clay

2376
01:38:18,310 --> 01:38:17,360
tablet and and all of that

2377
01:38:20,870 --> 01:38:18,320
you know

2378
01:38:23,189 --> 01:38:20,880
and that his octagon does not look like

2379
01:38:25,669 --> 01:38:23,199
the other octagons that the nez pierce

2380
01:38:28,390 --> 01:38:25,679
indigenous people use i've got i've got

2381
01:38:29,590 --> 01:38:28,400
copies of all of their octagonal motifs

2382
01:38:32,950 --> 01:38:29,600
none of them

2383
01:38:34,870 --> 01:38:32,960
are the star of asher his was

2384
01:38:36,229 --> 01:38:34,880
so there's something very strange going

2385
01:38:37,430 --> 01:38:36,239
on there

2386
01:38:40,709 --> 01:38:37,440
and and

2387
01:38:43,189 --> 01:38:40,719
it it's very close to the octagon that

2388
01:38:45,430 --> 01:38:43,199
you might have seen on the episode of

2389
01:38:47,030 --> 01:38:45,440
the laguna brothers uh

2390
01:38:49,109 --> 01:38:47,040
curse of oak island

2391
01:38:51,510 --> 01:38:49,119
uh second season i believe called the

2392
01:38:53,510 --> 01:38:51,520
eight pointed star meaning

2393
01:38:56,229 --> 01:38:53,520
an octagon like the star of asher

2394
01:38:58,149 --> 01:38:56,239
similar yeah exactly it looks it looks

2395
01:39:02,390 --> 01:38:58,159
an awful lot like it and it was said to

2396
01:39:04,790 --> 01:39:02,400
be the main uh motif of the uh of the

2397
01:39:06,229 --> 01:39:04,800
the mikma people and in fact it is

2398
01:39:09,430 --> 01:39:06,239
certainly at least one of the main

2399
01:39:12,709 --> 01:39:09,440
motifs if not the main motif so that

2400
01:39:15,350 --> 01:39:12,719
with the mikma plus the reverse you know

2401
01:39:18,070 --> 01:39:15,360
uh knights templar flag it's kind of a

2402
01:39:20,070 --> 01:39:18,080
coin bizarre coincidence

2403
01:39:22,149 --> 01:39:20,080
which i don't think it is and i do think

2404
01:39:22,950 --> 01:39:22,159
the templars were here

2405
01:39:24,870 --> 01:39:22,960
they

2406
01:39:26,790 --> 01:39:24,880
you know if i mean

2407
01:39:29,189 --> 01:39:26,800
if anybody could have come here it would

2408
01:39:31,109 --> 01:39:29,199
be the knights templar for the wealth

2409
01:39:32,390 --> 01:39:31,119
they had for what they had to secure and

2410
01:39:34,310 --> 01:39:32,400
hide

2411
01:39:36,229 --> 01:39:34,320
you know and and the way they had to in

2412
01:39:38,390 --> 01:39:36,239
order to survive since they were being

2413
01:39:40,550 --> 01:39:38,400
burned at the stake

2414
01:39:42,070 --> 01:39:40,560
for all these you know half invented

2415
01:39:43,910 --> 01:39:42,080
reasons um

2416
01:39:45,590 --> 01:39:43,920
it was just jealousy the kings and the

2417
01:39:47,830 --> 01:39:45,600
vatican didn't like the super wealth

2418
01:39:50,470 --> 01:39:47,840
that the knights templar had you know

2419
01:39:53,350 --> 01:39:50,480
had masked and and so you know that's

2420
01:39:57,669 --> 01:39:53,360
what caused the the angie templar friday

2421
01:39:59,910 --> 01:39:57,679
the 13th purge of the knights templar

2422
01:40:03,109 --> 01:39:59,920
yeah so i think that they were here i i

2423
01:40:05,030 --> 01:40:03,119
don't think that they were here

2424
01:40:07,910 --> 01:40:05,040
working against indigenous people i

2425
01:40:09,910 --> 01:40:07,920
think they integrated very well so i do

2426
01:40:12,390 --> 01:40:09,920
not think that there's this common

2427
01:40:14,390 --> 01:40:12,400
theory that has been no it's not common

2428
01:40:17,189 --> 01:40:14,400
but it was from it's been

2429
01:40:20,229 --> 01:40:17,199
promoted by someone i know who i've

2430
01:40:22,229 --> 01:40:20,239
who i uh you know corresponded with and

2431
01:40:24,470 --> 01:40:22,239
and uh i don't mean to jump all over him

2432
01:40:26,470 --> 01:40:24,480
but i really don't believe that that the

2433
01:40:29,669 --> 01:40:26,480
templars you know set out stakes of

2434
01:40:30,470 --> 01:40:29,679
territory but this is where you know

2435
01:40:32,870 --> 01:40:30,480
uh

2436
01:40:34,790 --> 01:40:32,880
there's a fellow who's doing unearthed

2437
01:40:36,629 --> 01:40:34,800
america on earth and he's suggesting

2438
01:40:38,870 --> 01:40:36,639
this that the templars laid claim to

2439
01:40:41,590 --> 01:40:38,880
this land into that and they left they

2440
01:40:43,590 --> 01:40:41,600
left these you know these memories that

2441
01:40:44,629 --> 01:40:43,600
were territorial markers like peeing in

2442
01:40:46,470 --> 01:40:44,639
the corner

2443
01:40:48,709 --> 01:40:46,480
um you know

2444
01:40:51,590 --> 01:40:48,719
that's not like anything the templars

2445
01:40:54,390 --> 01:40:51,600
would do it indicates a lack of

2446
01:40:56,470 --> 01:40:54,400
of a real tangible sense of the spirit

2447
01:40:58,070 --> 01:40:56,480
of the night's templar they they

2448
01:40:59,910 --> 01:40:58,080
wouldn't have been claiming other

2449
01:41:01,510 --> 01:40:59,920
people's land

2450
01:41:04,149 --> 01:41:01,520
they just would not have done it they

2451
01:41:06,950 --> 01:41:04,159
had so evolved out of the out of the

2452
01:41:08,310 --> 01:41:06,960
sort of imperial colonial uh uh

2453
01:41:11,430 --> 01:41:08,320
missionary

2454
01:41:14,550 --> 01:41:11,440
uh you know mode

2455
01:41:15,669 --> 01:41:14,560
that had that that they had initially

2456
01:41:17,030 --> 01:41:15,679
practiced

2457
01:41:19,270 --> 01:41:17,040
when they when they were part of the

2458
01:41:20,950 --> 01:41:19,280
crusaders when they were the first of

2459
01:41:23,109 --> 01:41:20,960
the crusaders but they completely

2460
01:41:25,750 --> 01:41:23,119
graduated out of that they got into

2461
01:41:28,870 --> 01:41:25,760
islamic mysticism the drew's

2462
01:41:31,030 --> 01:41:28,880
mystical order of druze who are muslim

2463
01:41:32,950 --> 01:41:31,040
and they're also said to be soupies

2464
01:41:35,109 --> 01:41:32,960
they came about they crystallized in

2465
01:41:37,430 --> 01:41:35,119
relation to an alliance with the knights

2466
01:41:39,430 --> 01:41:37,440
templar there there's there's this whole

2467
01:41:41,750 --> 01:41:39,440
other side of the templars if people

2468
01:41:44,390 --> 01:41:41,760
don't get a handle on they go off on

2469
01:41:48,390 --> 01:41:44,400
these kind of wacky uh you know

2470
01:41:51,510 --> 01:41:48,400
escapades of fantasy the templars were

2471
01:41:53,030 --> 01:41:51,520
so fanciful just by their nature that

2472
01:41:54,870 --> 01:41:53,040
you don't need to

2473
01:41:57,350 --> 01:41:54,880
you know push envelopes about knight's

2474
01:41:58,790 --> 01:41:57,360
templar they were they were magic

2475
01:42:01,109 --> 01:41:58,800
entities they

2476
01:42:03,109 --> 01:42:01,119
and they do things i've decoded the two

2477
01:42:05,030 --> 01:42:03,119
or three of their codes that nobody else

2478
01:42:06,870 --> 01:42:05,040
has been able to crack

2479
01:42:08,149 --> 01:42:06,880
um one at the

2480
01:42:10,390 --> 01:42:08,159
part of the round church or temple

2481
01:42:12,070 --> 01:42:10,400
church we can get into another time oh

2482
01:42:14,790 --> 01:42:12,080
yes but uh

2483
01:42:17,109 --> 01:42:14,800
yeah buff i'm sorry uh what about the

2484
01:42:19,750 --> 01:42:17,119
possibility that francis bacon designed

2485
01:42:21,590 --> 01:42:19,760
the money pit on on oak island

2486
01:42:24,550 --> 01:42:21,600
what do you think about that well that's

2487
01:42:27,270 --> 01:42:24,560
what the francis bacon society uh

2488
01:42:29,910 --> 01:42:27,280
you know believes in london

2489
01:42:32,229 --> 01:42:29,920
and they're you know i i correspond with

2490
01:42:34,390 --> 01:42:32,239
them i have a little to do with them um

2491
01:42:36,229 --> 01:42:34,400
they've been wanting me to speak uh

2492
01:42:37,590 --> 01:42:36,239
they're not sure what venue to put me

2493
01:42:39,510 --> 01:42:37,600
into but

2494
01:42:41,910 --> 01:42:39,520
but uh

2495
01:42:43,270 --> 01:42:41,920
you know because i don't uh i don't

2496
01:42:45,830 --> 01:42:43,280
abide by their

2497
01:42:48,229 --> 01:42:45,840
you know their views look francis bacon

2498
01:42:50,950 --> 01:42:48,239
was tied to a man named john d

2499
01:42:53,350 --> 01:42:50,960
john d was a mystic and a an and

2500
01:42:55,590 --> 01:42:53,360
and you know he invented cryptic forms

2501
01:42:57,990 --> 01:42:55,600
of writing and he taught he tutored

2502
01:43:00,390 --> 01:42:58,000
francis bacon how to do how to code how

2503
01:43:02,709 --> 01:43:00,400
to how to write codes

2504
01:43:03,750 --> 01:43:02,719
and and how to in you know

2505
01:43:06,470 --> 01:43:03,760
encrypt

2506
01:43:08,629 --> 01:43:06,480
information and they are said to have

2507
01:43:13,030 --> 01:43:08,639
had the voynich manuscript

2508
01:43:15,030 --> 01:43:13,040
so so i i'm you know i'm very much

2509
01:43:17,109 --> 01:43:15,040
interested in francis bacon and i'm very

2510
01:43:20,229 --> 01:43:17,119
interested in the in the francis bacon

2511
01:43:22,470 --> 01:43:20,239
society of of of great britain and i

2512
01:43:25,910 --> 01:43:22,480
respect them and they came they have a

2513
01:43:29,189 --> 01:43:25,920
secret about that year 1746

2514
01:43:32,550 --> 01:43:29,199
that and and alexander von humboldt and

2515
01:43:34,070 --> 01:43:32,560
they're flirting you know with me over

2516
01:43:35,990 --> 01:43:34,080
and over

2517
01:43:37,910 --> 01:43:36,000
and so i've decided to do an end run on

2518
01:43:40,550 --> 01:43:37,920
them and just divulge everything and you

2519
01:43:41,990 --> 01:43:40,560
know now that now they can uh now they

2520
01:43:42,950 --> 01:43:42,000
can deal with it all being out in the

2521
01:43:44,070 --> 01:43:42,960
open

2522
01:43:46,070 --> 01:43:44,080
you know

2523
01:43:48,310 --> 01:43:46,080
there is something to it it's for i'm

2524
01:43:51,109 --> 01:43:48,320
not i'm not of the view that francis

2525
01:43:53,669 --> 01:43:51,119
bacon designed the money pit i do think

2526
01:43:55,510 --> 01:43:53,679
it's older and i think it's been used by

2527
01:43:58,470 --> 01:43:55,520
you know successive

2528
01:44:01,750 --> 01:43:58,480
layering of civilizations and peoples

2529
01:44:02,950 --> 01:44:01,760
but only the knowledge of which was kept

2530
01:44:05,910 --> 01:44:02,960
within this

2531
01:44:08,070 --> 01:44:05,920
one order right again by any other name

2532
01:44:10,470 --> 01:44:08,080
it you know it's the same

2533
01:44:12,470 --> 01:44:10,480
uh now now buff the stone that was found

2534
01:44:13,669 --> 01:44:12,480
at 90 feet uh because we only have a few

2535
01:44:16,390 --> 01:44:13,679
minutes left i just want to get on that

2536
01:44:18,790 --> 01:44:16,400
stone right i believe there's two uh

2537
01:44:21,270 --> 01:44:18,800
decipherments one indicated 40 feet

2538
01:44:23,830 --> 01:44:21,280
below 2 million pounds are buried and

2539
01:44:26,870 --> 01:44:23,840
also barry fell dr barry fell had his

2540
01:44:28,070 --> 01:44:26,880
own uh decipherment uh which one do you

2541
01:44:29,830 --> 01:44:28,080
more or less

2542
01:44:32,470 --> 01:44:29,840
uh go towards

2543
01:44:34,629 --> 01:44:32,480
is there any correlation i mean between

2544
01:44:35,910 --> 01:44:34,639
the two translations like you know what

2545
01:44:37,350 --> 01:44:35,920
i'm saying what what do you think about

2546
01:44:39,189 --> 01:44:37,360
that to the translation to the

2547
01:44:41,990 --> 01:44:39,199
decipherment of those of that stone that

2548
01:44:44,070 --> 01:44:42,000
was found in 60 at uh 90 feet i'm sorry

2549
01:44:45,669 --> 01:44:44,080
i am very careful to talk about barry

2550
01:44:47,430 --> 01:44:45,679
fell in public

2551
01:44:48,470 --> 01:44:47,440
we already went over him a little bit

2552
01:44:50,870 --> 01:44:48,480
earlier

2553
01:44:52,870 --> 01:44:50,880
um i i would not uh

2554
01:44:55,910 --> 01:44:52,880
i wouldn't accept his uh

2555
01:44:58,950 --> 01:44:55,920
his his uh translation but

2556
01:45:00,950 --> 01:44:58,960
but he he did develop expertise in

2557
01:45:02,950 --> 01:45:00,960
something called tiffany

2558
01:45:04,790 --> 01:45:02,960
um which is a berber

2559
01:45:07,350 --> 01:45:04,800
indigenous peoples in north africa are

2560
01:45:10,149 --> 01:45:07,360
called berbers that berber or

2561
01:45:13,430 --> 01:45:10,159
thomasite amazing

2562
01:45:17,350 --> 01:45:13,440
they they wrote in this form that is all

2563
01:45:19,350 --> 01:45:17,360
over that that that uh artifact but so

2564
01:45:21,910 --> 01:45:19,360
is the cree syllabary

2565
01:45:24,709 --> 01:45:21,920
the cree former writing is also all over

2566
01:45:28,470 --> 01:45:24,719
and if you go to my my uh my youtube

2567
01:45:31,590 --> 01:45:28,480
channel the the second episode really

2568
01:45:33,669 --> 01:45:31,600
gets into this part of it the how

2569
01:45:35,910 --> 01:45:33,679
ancient was the cree writing form the

2570
01:45:40,070 --> 01:45:35,920
so-called crease syllabary

2571
01:45:41,750 --> 01:45:40,080
um the whole entire cree syllabary is on

2572
01:45:43,990 --> 01:45:41,760
that stone

2573
01:45:46,870 --> 01:45:44,000
so here this goes again to that same

2574
01:45:49,510 --> 01:45:46,880
that same point why have indigenous

2575
01:45:51,430 --> 01:45:49,520
people been ignored

2576
01:45:53,109 --> 01:45:51,440
they would not have allowed

2577
01:45:57,430 --> 01:45:53,119
any pro

2578
01:45:59,350 --> 01:45:57,440
uh william of orange pro queen mary pro

2579
01:46:01,430 --> 01:45:59,360
george people to take anything out of

2580
01:46:04,470 --> 01:46:01,440
the money pit during the period of the

2581
01:46:07,350 --> 01:46:04,480
wabanaki confederacy they were allied

2582
01:46:09,990 --> 01:46:07,360
with the french and and they and they

2583
01:46:12,310 --> 01:46:10,000
had control over the island as you you

2584
01:46:14,310 --> 01:46:12,320
heard what i read that my my uh my

2585
01:46:17,590 --> 01:46:14,320
research assistant found

2586
01:46:19,669 --> 01:46:17,600
um rodney the you know it it it's

2587
01:46:20,870 --> 01:46:19,679
there's no question the british were

2588
01:46:23,109 --> 01:46:20,880
were pulling their hair out trying to

2589
01:46:26,629 --> 01:46:23,119
figure out how to break up this

2590
01:46:28,470 --> 01:46:26,639
this bond that had that

2591
01:46:31,109 --> 01:46:28,480
between indigenous people

2592
01:46:35,030 --> 01:46:31,119
the french the acadians and the

2593
01:46:37,270 --> 01:46:35,040
catholics that was impossible to to to

2594
01:46:39,430 --> 01:46:37,280
separate the components of

2595
01:46:41,430 --> 01:46:39,440
and and they couldn't and they had to do

2596
01:46:43,910 --> 01:46:41,440
genocide and they had to do you know

2597
01:46:47,109 --> 01:46:43,920
these horrible things too and that was

2598
01:46:48,950 --> 01:46:47,119
after 1750 when that all when the worst

2599
01:46:50,629 --> 01:46:48,960
of it started to happen

2600
01:46:53,270 --> 01:46:50,639
so what you know

2601
01:46:55,430 --> 01:46:53,280
it's time that we get indigenous people

2602
01:46:57,830 --> 01:46:55,440
back in the center of these

2603
01:47:00,790 --> 01:46:57,840
of all this history because they were

2604
01:47:03,350 --> 01:47:00,800
pivotal they were with you know i mean

2605
01:47:06,149 --> 01:47:03,360
it every it it all goes back to them the

2606
01:47:08,470 --> 01:47:06,159
oral their oral traditions are records

2607
01:47:10,550 --> 01:47:08,480
of any strange stranger people who may

2608
01:47:12,629 --> 01:47:10,560
have come to you know the americas and

2609
01:47:14,149 --> 01:47:12,639
brought whatever including the ark of

2610
01:47:17,350 --> 01:47:14,159
the covenant you know

2611
01:47:19,590 --> 01:47:17,360
it's it's very unfair it remains unfair

2612
01:47:22,470 --> 01:47:19,600
and it's ongoing and and it's not

2613
01:47:24,790 --> 01:47:22,480
recognized in academia how much of this

2614
01:47:26,709 --> 01:47:24,800
old racism is just continuing we'll

2615
01:47:30,149 --> 01:47:26,719
learn so much more if we can just let it

2616
01:47:32,310 --> 01:47:30,159
go you know abandon it you know to

2617
01:47:34,709 --> 01:47:32,320
bring these people in with all the

2618
01:47:36,790 --> 01:47:34,719
treasures they have of knowledge and

2619
01:47:39,030 --> 01:47:36,800
writing forms and all the rest i mean

2620
01:47:41,030 --> 01:47:39,040
the ancient basque syllabary is

2621
01:47:42,390 --> 01:47:41,040
identical to the cree syllabary why is

2622
01:47:44,070 --> 01:47:42,400
that

2623
01:47:46,709 --> 01:47:44,080
identical i mean

2624
01:47:48,229 --> 01:47:46,719
you know symbol for simple for symbol

2625
01:47:50,790 --> 01:47:48,239
it can't have been invented by

2626
01:47:53,510 --> 01:47:50,800
missionaries which has been the common

2627
01:47:54,950 --> 01:47:53,520
view not held by indigenous people not

2628
01:47:56,950 --> 01:47:54,960
held by the cree

2629
01:47:59,910 --> 01:47:56,960
but by everybody else you know they

2630
01:48:01,270 --> 01:47:59,920
bought into the paradigm uh and you know

2631
01:48:03,750 --> 01:48:01,280
it's these paradigms we have to deal

2632
01:48:05,590 --> 01:48:03,760
with exactly well you know what you're

2633
01:48:07,910 --> 01:48:05,600
just so wonderful in bringing these

2634
01:48:09,109 --> 01:48:07,920
paradigms to perhaps uh screeching halt

2635
01:48:11,669 --> 01:48:09,119
as they say

2636
01:48:14,149 --> 01:48:11,679
by you know just bringing this in your

2637
01:48:16,390 --> 01:48:14,159
face kind of evidence and the more you

2638
01:48:18,149 --> 01:48:16,400
can get it out there uh think the better

2639
01:48:19,830 --> 01:48:18,159
off everybody will be yeah and the

2640
01:48:22,149 --> 01:48:19,840
creation of the institute for the

2641
01:48:23,669 --> 01:48:22,159
studies of indigenous anomalies also

2642
01:48:25,750 --> 01:48:23,679
that's going to play a pivotal role i

2643
01:48:27,270 --> 01:48:25,760
believe you know in the future in the

2644
01:48:29,750 --> 01:48:27,280
present and the future i i think what

2645
01:48:31,669 --> 01:48:29,760
you're doing buff is outstanding you

2646
01:48:33,990 --> 01:48:31,679
know i think that there needs to be a

2647
01:48:36,470 --> 01:48:34,000
voice of the indigenous peoples and i i

2648
01:48:39,030 --> 01:48:36,480
hope that the young generation as well

2649
01:48:41,350 --> 01:48:39,040
as of course the older generation by by

2650
01:48:43,030 --> 01:48:41,360
traditionally handing down this these

2651
01:48:46,149 --> 01:48:43,040
stories through you know through all

2652
01:48:49,590 --> 01:48:46,159
this time it needs to keep going i mean

2653
01:48:52,390 --> 01:48:49,600
it's so vital that their voice be heard

2654
01:48:54,629 --> 01:48:52,400
well that's why uh my research assistant

2655
01:48:56,870 --> 01:48:54,639
rodney macleod has to be

2656
01:48:57,830 --> 01:48:56,880
on that path every step of the way with

2657
01:48:59,270 --> 01:48:57,840
me

2658
01:49:01,030 --> 01:48:59,280
and when we go to

2659
01:49:02,229 --> 01:49:01,040
when we go to west point when we go to

2660
01:49:03,510 --> 01:49:02,239
lagrange

2661
01:49:05,990 --> 01:49:03,520
when we go to

2662
01:49:09,109 --> 01:49:06,000
to oklahoma to get into that inanna

2663
01:49:10,470 --> 01:49:09,119
stone which is phenomenal i mean it had

2664
01:49:12,870 --> 01:49:10,480
a little bit to do with the ultimate

2665
01:49:14,470 --> 01:49:12,880
breaking of the code of dilman writing

2666
01:49:16,229 --> 01:49:14,480
the discovery of that because it was

2667
01:49:18,149 --> 01:49:16,239
just being broken at the time that that

2668
01:49:20,390 --> 01:49:18,159
thing was found

2669
01:49:23,189 --> 01:49:20,400
i mean talk about synchronicity and

2670
01:49:25,270 --> 01:49:23,199
strange coincidences that's a huge one

2671
01:49:27,030 --> 01:49:25,280
and when you get to a nana who is she

2672
01:49:30,070 --> 01:49:27,040
she's the mother of that line of

2673
01:49:32,310 --> 01:49:30,080
goddesses that produced finally venus

2674
01:49:34,790 --> 01:49:32,320
and you you know venus is i mean

2675
01:49:37,830 --> 01:49:34,800
morningstar evening star that the this

2676
01:49:40,390 --> 01:49:37,840
wonderful woman uh whose symbol is the

2677
01:49:49,669 --> 01:49:40,400
octagon

2678
01:49:50,950 --> 01:49:49,679
you have to do is connect all eight

2679
01:49:53,350 --> 01:49:50,960
angles

2680
01:49:56,470 --> 01:49:53,360
you know octagony this is a fun little

2681
01:49:58,629 --> 01:49:56,480
story it won't take me more than oh

2682
01:50:00,149 --> 01:49:58,639
yeah we have about four minutes above

2683
01:50:02,790 --> 01:50:00,159
octane's eight

2684
01:50:05,510 --> 01:50:02,800
okay gunny how do you spell knee you you

2685
01:50:07,109 --> 01:50:05,520
know the knee on your leg spell a-n-e-e

2686
01:50:18,709 --> 01:50:07,119
okay do you ever wonder why there's a k

2687
01:50:23,189 --> 01:50:21,270
means knee in greek

2688
01:50:25,750 --> 01:50:23,199
oh my god a knee

2689
01:50:27,350 --> 01:50:25,760
uh describes an angle

2690
01:50:29,270 --> 01:50:27,360
uh usually a right angle if you're

2691
01:50:32,070 --> 01:50:29,280
sitting down

2692
01:50:34,070 --> 01:50:32,080
so you so i'll you see how this works

2693
01:50:36,470 --> 01:50:34,080
that's lovely

2694
01:50:39,189 --> 01:50:36,480
oh that's a wonderful oh thank you thank

2695
01:50:41,350 --> 01:50:39,199
you both okay buff we have a few minutes

2696
01:50:44,149 --> 01:50:41,360
left and i just want you to just refresh

2697
01:50:46,709 --> 01:50:44,159
everyone and give them a little bit uh

2698
01:50:47,910 --> 01:50:46,719
insight on this youtube page truth in

2699
01:50:50,070 --> 01:50:47,920
the buff

2700
01:50:52,149 --> 01:50:50,080
and all the current things that you're

2701
01:50:53,430 --> 01:50:52,159
going to be doing so for the next few

2702
01:50:56,310 --> 01:50:53,440
minutes maybe you can discuss a little

2703
01:51:00,070 --> 01:50:56,320
bit of that okay we have we've posted

2704
01:51:02,229 --> 01:51:00,080
episode one and two uh on on uh on truth

2705
01:51:04,870 --> 01:51:02,239
in the buff channel on youtube

2706
01:51:09,430 --> 01:51:04,880
and and this deals almost exclusively

2707
01:51:12,390 --> 01:51:09,440
with with uh oak island but also the the

2708
01:51:14,310 --> 01:51:12,400
the associated subjects like like the

2709
01:51:17,589 --> 01:51:14,320
writing forms that are associ that have

2710
01:51:19,669 --> 01:51:17,599
been found in in in relationship to the

2711
01:51:21,990 --> 01:51:19,679
money pit in oak island the cree

2712
01:51:25,270 --> 01:51:22,000
syllabary for example so so we have an

2713
01:51:27,990 --> 01:51:25,280
expert on that um who who has proven

2714
01:51:30,229 --> 01:51:28,000
he's and he's a doctor and a remarkable

2715
01:51:31,830 --> 01:51:30,239
person from the united church

2716
01:51:33,109 --> 01:51:31,840
which is the church that is supposed to

2717
01:51:36,070 --> 01:51:33,119
have produced the missionary that

2718
01:51:38,149 --> 01:51:36,080
invented the the syllabary system

2719
01:51:40,070 --> 01:51:38,159
which is such nonsense and here we have

2720
01:51:41,830 --> 01:51:40,080
someone coming right out of that saying

2721
01:51:43,669 --> 01:51:41,840
that's that is all a bunch of nonsense

2722
01:51:45,189 --> 01:51:43,679
so that that's it that's in part two

2723
01:51:48,629 --> 01:51:45,199
it's not all of it it's

2724
01:51:50,149 --> 01:51:48,639
about a quarter of it maybe part two

2725
01:51:51,910 --> 01:51:50,159
uh part three is going to be the big

2726
01:51:54,070 --> 01:51:51,920
punch line that that i encourage

2727
01:51:56,709 --> 01:51:54,080
everybody to go to and and i encourage

2728
01:51:59,669 --> 01:51:56,719
everybody to to to keep up with the

2729
01:52:01,910 --> 01:51:59,679
youtube channel of ours by subscribing

2730
01:52:03,669 --> 01:52:01,920
as well there's that option

2731
01:52:05,430 --> 01:52:03,679
because there's going to be all kinds of

2732
01:52:06,709 --> 01:52:05,440
other uh

2733
01:52:09,830 --> 01:52:06,719
other

2734
01:52:12,070 --> 01:52:09,840
subjects dealt with including uh full

2735
01:52:14,870 --> 01:52:12,080
fleshing out of the octagon

2736
01:52:17,270 --> 01:52:14,880
going back to when the octagon you know

2737
01:52:19,830 --> 01:52:17,280
was transmitted from nature to human

2738
01:52:21,990 --> 01:52:19,840
culture and why that happened how that

2739
01:52:23,830 --> 01:52:22,000
happened who did it what is the oldest

2740
01:52:27,270 --> 01:52:23,840
evidence of all of this

2741
01:52:29,990 --> 01:52:27,280
um and the salamander story which is one

2742
01:52:31,910 --> 01:52:30,000
we didn't even touch on at all is a

2743
01:52:34,629 --> 01:52:31,920
remarkable uh

2744
01:52:37,109 --> 01:52:34,639
uh account in history the relationship

2745
01:52:39,589 --> 01:52:37,119
of that shape-shifting creature that

2746
01:52:41,669 --> 01:52:39,599
becomes uh you know identified with the

2747
01:52:44,229 --> 01:52:41,679
seraphim the order of angels called the

2748
01:52:47,030 --> 01:52:44,239
serpent because seraph meant salamander

2749
01:52:48,950 --> 01:52:47,040
in its first meeting in hebrew

2750
01:52:50,790 --> 01:52:48,960
and it's described as a salamander six

2751
01:52:52,629 --> 01:52:50,800
wings you know it has these six wings

2752
01:52:55,109 --> 01:52:52,639
that catch oxygen that grow out of the

2753
01:52:57,510 --> 01:52:55,119
back of its head in one of its four

2754
01:52:58,390 --> 01:52:57,520
cycles one of its shape-shifted cycles

2755
01:53:01,109 --> 01:52:58,400
if you will

2756
01:53:02,709 --> 01:53:01,119
i mean we can go on and on about that

2757
01:53:05,189 --> 01:53:02,719
well actually buff i was going to ask

2758
01:53:07,510 --> 01:53:05,199
you maybe you can come back on epic

2759
01:53:09,270 --> 01:53:07,520
voyages down the line you know when you

2760
01:53:12,149 --> 01:53:09,280
have free time because i know you have a

2761
01:53:13,750 --> 01:53:12,159
lot going on and also uh you're going

2762
01:53:15,430 --> 01:53:13,760
over this manuscript that you mentioned

2763
01:53:17,430 --> 01:53:15,440
earlier you know i think you're working

2764
01:53:19,990 --> 01:53:17,440
on some type of decipherment with a few

2765
01:53:22,709 --> 01:53:20,000
others and also i want to speak about

2766
01:53:24,629 --> 01:53:22,719
the uh the da vinci code that you were

2767
01:53:26,629 --> 01:53:24,639
involved with

2768
01:53:30,229 --> 01:53:26,639
we definitely need to speak okay

2769
01:53:32,790 --> 01:53:30,239
my party words are this i i was i was uh

2770
01:53:35,669 --> 01:53:32,800
recruited into a profiling group in in

2771
01:53:37,589 --> 01:53:35,679
america over a major crime that happened

2772
01:53:39,270 --> 01:53:37,599
and there was a homeland security

2773
01:53:42,629 --> 01:53:39,280
officer

2774
01:53:44,709 --> 01:53:42,639
fbi agents two two police chiefs out of

2775
01:53:46,950 --> 01:53:44,719
missouri that's all i'm gonna say about

2776
01:53:50,070 --> 01:53:46,960
that yes yes and a lot of other very

2777
01:53:52,149 --> 01:53:50,080
very special people um and and the the

2778
01:53:53,669 --> 01:53:52,159
homeland security guy had also claimed

2779
01:53:55,910 --> 01:53:53,679
that he broke the code of the buoyancy

2780
01:53:58,390 --> 01:53:55,920
manuscript and i'm telling you he didn't

2781
01:54:00,229 --> 01:53:58,400
he's proven not to have we're not on the

2782
01:54:02,790 --> 01:54:00,239
best of terms with each other but we are

2783
01:54:04,790 --> 01:54:02,800
still profiling okay ruff i'm sorry to

2784
01:54:07,350 --> 01:54:04,800
interject but we got to wrap i just want

2785
01:54:09,589 --> 01:54:07,360
to thank you so much for being on with

2786
01:54:12,629 --> 01:54:09,599
us tonight here on epic voyages it was

2787
01:54:14,629 --> 01:54:12,639
an absolute pleasure and it was amazing

2788
01:54:17,189 --> 01:54:14,639
speak with you in the future well thank

2789
01:54:19,750 --> 01:54:17,199
you carol and bill and i look forward to

2790
01:54:21,430 --> 01:54:19,760
the return okay thank you buff have a

2791
01:54:22,870 --> 01:54:21,440
great night and i would just like to

2792
01:54:24,390 --> 01:54:22,880
thank all the listeners for tuning in

2793
01:54:25,510 --> 01:54:24,400
tonight and make sure to listen to epic

2794
01:54:34,830 --> 01:54:25,520
voyages

2795
01:54:39,669 --> 01:54:37,669
east thank you for being with us tonight

2796
01:54:41,109 --> 01:54:39,679
please join us again next monday evening

2797
01:54:44,550 --> 01:54:41,119
for extraordinary phenomena

2798
01:54:49,990 --> 01:54:44,560
investigations councils epic voyages i'm

2799
01:54:55,270 --> 01:54:52,629
too much to learn